Another JOCO comes to town
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Another JOCO comes to town
To this global village, that is. JOCOs don't come up for sale very often, and when they do they're always too small for me. So when this barn find appeared in the local classifieds in what looked like a decent size, I gave the seller a call and had it in the back of my trusted WJ one hour and forty-five minutes later.
JOCO
The JOCO company was established in 1919 in Amsterdam by Matheus Antionius ('Toon') de Jonge (de JOnge & CO) as a repair shop. Bicycle manufacturing started in 1924. In the 1950s, when the shop in Amsterdam became too expensive, the operation moved to Hilversum. It seems that they stopped selling their own brand somewhere during the sixties, when the company switched to become the importer for Mercier.
JOCO bikes were among the best one could buy, BITD, and probably also the most expensive.
This bike is a "Ronde van Europa". That model name appeared both on touring bikes and racing machines. It looks like a 1950's frame that has been updated in the sixties, maybe early seventies. I'm quite happy that the derailleur hanger is still there, as most have been cut off since then to be able to fit a more modern derailleur. It has Atom hubs with steel rims, an Atom four-speed freewheel, Weinmann Vainqueur brakes and levers, Titan bar and stem and a Titan seat post. Cranks are Stronglight Competitions.
I'm still trying find out if there's any significance in the serial number. From what I've seen so far the first digit may be the last digit of the build year, so in this case 1958, or maybe even 1948, as the Reynolds decal seems to be an early one, according to Classic Lightweights.
I'm also trying to find out how this bike was originally equipped. If it had a front derailleur, it would probably have been one with a suicide shifter, as there's only one braze-on on the down tube.






JOCO
The JOCO company was established in 1919 in Amsterdam by Matheus Antionius ('Toon') de Jonge (de JOnge & CO) as a repair shop. Bicycle manufacturing started in 1924. In the 1950s, when the shop in Amsterdam became too expensive, the operation moved to Hilversum. It seems that they stopped selling their own brand somewhere during the sixties, when the company switched to become the importer for Mercier.
JOCO bikes were among the best one could buy, BITD, and probably also the most expensive.
This bike is a "Ronde van Europa". That model name appeared both on touring bikes and racing machines. It looks like a 1950's frame that has been updated in the sixties, maybe early seventies. I'm quite happy that the derailleur hanger is still there, as most have been cut off since then to be able to fit a more modern derailleur. It has Atom hubs with steel rims, an Atom four-speed freewheel, Weinmann Vainqueur brakes and levers, Titan bar and stem and a Titan seat post. Cranks are Stronglight Competitions.
I'm still trying find out if there's any significance in the serial number. From what I've seen so far the first digit may be the last digit of the build year, so in this case 1958, or maybe even 1948, as the Reynolds decal seems to be an early one, according to Classic Lightweights.
I'm also trying to find out how this bike was originally equipped. If it had a front derailleur, it would probably have been one with a suicide shifter, as there's only one braze-on on the down tube.






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Thanks. The car's in better shape than the bike, though.
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non-fixie reels in yet another treasure!
will be lots of fun for you to do the continuing research.
lugset looks to be Nervex 48/161, crown Vagner PC, shell Nervex with cut nr. 161.
chainset Verot 55 but bottom bracket something else. find it slightly odd that fixed cup painted.
Weinmann set: a bit unusual that neither levers nor hangers exhibit a quick release.
what be number marked on drive side of seat tube?
what be Toon's peds?
serial: between the two proposed birth years definitely voting for MCMLVIII.
serial speculation: wonder if possible it could indicate twenty-fourth machine produced in august of fifty-nine.
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non-fixie reels in yet another treasure!
will be lots of fun for you to do the continuing research.

lugset looks to be Nervex 48/161, crown Vagner PC, shell Nervex with cut nr. 161.
chainset Verot 55 but bottom bracket something else. find it slightly odd that fixed cup painted.
Weinmann set: a bit unusual that neither levers nor hangers exhibit a quick release.
what be number marked on drive side of seat tube?
what be Toon's peds?
serial: between the two proposed birth years definitely voting for MCMLVIII.
serial speculation: wonder if possible it could indicate twenty-fourth machine produced in august of fifty-nine.
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Thanks for the feedback and the additional information. Much appreciated!
The number on the seat tube is a crudely engraved PO's address code. Thought to be a good anti-theft measure. Maybe it was, but it doesn't do much for the paint job.
I haven't recognized the pedals yet. Perhaps cleaning them will reveal a name.
The number on the seat tube is a crudely engraved PO's address code. Thought to be a good anti-theft measure. Maybe it was, but it doesn't do much for the paint job.
I haven't recognized the pedals yet. Perhaps cleaning them will reveal a name.
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Hello non-fixie,
Have you been able to learn any additional information regarding this most excellent new arrival?
You wondered about the possibility of two plateau gearing. If it had been fitted it would have employed the Competition model rod front mech. Such a fitment would have left marks on the seat tube's finish which appear to be lacking. Another check is spindle length. As mentioned above the bottom bracket set is not the usual model 34 Verot companion for the Competition 55 chainset. In the Verot set the spindle length for single plateau gearing is 125mm. A further check would be to examine the chainline. If the chainwheel lines up in the middle of the 4V block that would seem to be it.
Likely original mech candidates would be 543 and TdF. The former would be great but of staggering cost at market value. Clearly the current Prestige rear mech and white delrin shift lever are too late for the bike.
Looking forward to the next datum uppum.
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Hello non-fixie,
Have you been able to learn any additional information regarding this most excellent new arrival?
You wondered about the possibility of two plateau gearing. If it had been fitted it would have employed the Competition model rod front mech. Such a fitment would have left marks on the seat tube's finish which appear to be lacking. Another check is spindle length. As mentioned above the bottom bracket set is not the usual model 34 Verot companion for the Competition 55 chainset. In the Verot set the spindle length for single plateau gearing is 125mm. A further check would be to examine the chainline. If the chainwheel lines up in the middle of the 4V block that would seem to be it.
Likely original mech candidates would be 543 and TdF. The former would be great but of staggering cost at market value. Clearly the current Prestige rear mech and white delrin shift lever are too late for the bike.
Looking forward to the next datum uppum.
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Bikes were often sold with just the rear changer and no FD, more common in '50s than later days. Haven't seen that particular Simplex DO before: is it a semi-vertical DO or just angled more than a typical horizontal would be? And are they a variant Nervex head lug or another brand?
Nice bike!!
Nice bike!!
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Another check is spindle length. As mentioned above the bottom bracket set is not the usual model 34 Verot companion for the Competition 55 chainset. In the Verot set the spindle length for single plateau gearing is 125mm. A further check would be to examine the chainline. If the chainwheel lines up in the middle of the 4V block that would seem to be it.
I have a TdF RD, as well as a Competition FD waiting for a project. Both are NOS, so maybe a little too shiny for this particular one ...
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Bikes were often sold with just the rear changer and no FD, more common in '50s than later days. Haven't seen that particular Simplex DO before: is it a semi-vertical DO or just angled more than a typical horizontal would be? And are they a variant Nervex head lug or another brand?
Nice bike!!
Nice bike!!
I think [MENTION=333224]juvela[/MENTION] was spot-on with the lug identification: Nervex 48/161. Thanks for that.
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Indeed, it seems that these Simplex drop-outs had a slightly bigger slant to them than the Campagnolo examples of that period. I wouldn't go as far as to call them semi-vertical.
I think [MENTION=333224]juvela[/MENTION] was spot-on with the lug identification: Nervex 48/161. Thanks for that.
About the fork crown, however, I'm less confident. There's a definite ridge on the top, and I've seen other JOCO examples with EKLA "Extra Light" crowns, so I suspect this might be an EKLA "H", rather than a Vagner.
I think [MENTION=333224]juvela[/MENTION] was spot-on with the lug identification: Nervex 48/161. Thanks for that.
PC+ if Vagner it be. If you think it an EKLA H you are the person on the scene and we are speaking about a low countries machine so it is logical it might come with a low countries fork topper. Suspect you will be able to determine by comparing the V on the crown to the catalogue illustrations available online. The EKLA V has a longer and narrower look than does the Vagner.
Going back to spindle length. The Lucien chart for the 34 bottom bracket assembly states unequivocally that your length is intended for a two plateau application. But we, as of this time, know only that your fittings are not Verot, not what they actually be. Have you discovered as yet any markings on the cups? The painted fixed I still find puzzling.
Any news regarding pedal provenace?
Have you as yet identified machine's head fittings? In the photos the stack of the north is well esconded by the carillion.
Have you given any thought to the wheels for the build? Since it is clear it came with frankish chainset and gears perhaps it would have been fitted with frankish moyeaux as well. One interesting contemporaneous possibility was the Plume from Etablissements Perrin:
VeloBase.com - Component: Pelissier Plume (low flange)
Or perhaps the firm's deux oiseaux:
VeloBase.com - Component: Pelissier (twin bird logo & CP on hub shell, no oil hole)
All best wishes with Herr Toon and thanks for the update.
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Thanks, [MENTION=333224]juvela[/MENTION]. It seems I've got my work for this weekend cut out for me. 
The pedals look to be Sheffield Sprint copies, but I haven't identified the actual brand yet.

The pedals look to be Sheffield Sprint copies, but I haven't identified the actual brand yet.
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Had a look at the pedals today. I can't find any identifying marks. I checked it against the Speedplay collection, and the closest match I could find was a '40's OMT pedal, on which I haven't been able to find any more information yet.


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That non-fixie: always well ahead of me!
Was going to post a suggestion regarding a visitation to Il Museo Di Speedplay.
Do both pedals lack their dustcaps? Sometimes cap details can be an identification aid.
Are they 9/16" X 20F?
That plate pattern used in UK as well as Italia e Francia.
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That non-fixie: always well ahead of me!

Was going to post a suggestion regarding a visitation to Il Museo Di Speedplay.

Do both pedals lack their dustcaps? Sometimes cap details can be an identification aid.
Are they 9/16" X 20F?
That plate pattern used in UK as well as Italia e Francia.
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That non-fixie: always well ahead of me!
Was going to post a suggestion regarding a visitation to Il Museo Di Speedplay.
Do both pedals lack their dustcaps? Sometimes cap details can be an identification aid.
Are they 9/16" X 20F?
That plate pattern used in UK as well as Italia e Francia.
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That non-fixie: always well ahead of me!

Was going to post a suggestion regarding a visitation to Il Museo Di Speedplay.

Do both pedals lack their dustcaps? Sometimes cap details can be an identification aid.
Are they 9/16" X 20F?
That plate pattern used in UK as well as Italia e Francia.
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I have been playing around a bit over the weekend, cleaning up the bike and trying out some ideas for a build:

I found a nice pair of wheels in my stash - Normandy hubs laced to Weinmann 'Type Weltmeister' rims - but ran into a bit of an issue: the axles don't fit the Agrati fork ends.

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Thanks for the update non-fixie!
Mismatched ends - we just had that on the guyadois Rattray. His are Juy stern paired with 1010 bow.
Hope those moyeaux have the oil hole.
Headset appears P3-ish. Is locknut octagonal or round?
Handsome beastie!
Look forward to your next signal.
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Thanks for the update non-fixie!
Mismatched ends - we just had that on the guyadois Rattray. His are Juy stern paired with 1010 bow.
Hope those moyeaux have the oil hole.
Headset appears P3-ish. Is locknut octagonal or round?
Handsome beastie!
Look forward to your next signal.
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The hubs are Luxe Competitions, gold label. No oil hole, AFIK:

The jeu de direction is a Lightrace:

The jeu de direction is a Lightrace:
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BTW, what's the deal with those Agrati fork ends? Were they designed for smaller axles or was the frame builder supposed to finish them to fit?
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Made for solid axle.
Many is the time have had to open some axle slots to accommodate an axle hollow.
Hubs about fifteen years too late for cycle.
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Yes, I know the hubs are newer, but I could live with that for now. I also have another wheel set somewhere with low flange Fratelli Brivio 'Extra Luxury' hubs, that may be more appropriate, but there the problem is the other way around: they are laced to seventies' NISI TORO clincher rims.
Decisions, decisions ...
Decisions, decisions ...
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Yes, I know the hubs are newer, but I could live with that for now. I also have another wheel set somewhere with low flange Fratelli Brivio 'Extra Luxury' hubs, that may be more appropriate, but there the problem is the other way around: they are laced to seventies' NISI TORO clincher rims.
Decisions, decisions ...
Decisions, decisions ...
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Try #2. For a nicer pair of suspenders: the Brivio Bros hubs and NISI rims. Look-wise they're fine, and I have some super light Gommitalia Targa clinchers (170 grams) with real caoutchouc inner tubes (75 grams), that should bring the weight close to the tubulars. And at €65 per wheel
I expect nothing less than a heavenly ride.

I expect nothing less than a heavenly ride.
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Thanks! WRT the shifter: it is a Simplex and it does still work, but the plastic is probably very brittle. The remnants of the plastic wingnut pulverized at the first touch.
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From closeup photo of fork end it would seem likely machine departed works with solid axle mozzi. If you went that route it would give an opportunity to fit some unusual and interesting asymmetric wingnuts.
No doubt those jantes will be full of bull.
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From closeup photo of fork end it would seem likely machine departed works with solid axle mozzi. If you went that route it would give an opportunity to fit some unusual and interesting asymmetric wingnuts.
No doubt those jantes will be full of bull.
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