Black & Whites vs Color
12-20-18 | 09:20 AM
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One of these days I'll have a 'nago. This is how I would shot Drillers bike for print 2 exposures, perhaps 3. First the picture was put in the camera copy board behind glass focused at scale. Film was placed on a vacuum board, a continuous screen was placed over over the film. The screened film was exposed the greyscale is coming converted into high contrast dots of the highlights.
After that the vacuum board is opened and a secondary overall the screen in place in order to catch a shadow dot. DD's picture I may have actually used a 3rd exposure with the film still in place of and shoot the photo again without the screen to give the image an artificial highlight and move the middle tones. I probably would have made it look like this for print, depending on the type of stock for print.
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12-20-18 | 09:43 AM
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12-20-18 | 10:16 AM
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Oh yes they do, but do your prepress people read what the stock is on the ticket? Oh just kidding I used to run press. The printshop for me was a huge playground, nothing better than working with press operators. Those guys taught how to use terms like youses and dats. Slang terms galore, yes I am a Stripper. These days with all the PC the slang terms are slammed, so I now prefer to called a "Negative Impositioner"
12-20-18 | 10:46 AM
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12-20-18 | 11:43 AM
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12-20-18 | 01:00 PM
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12-20-18 | 03:59 PM
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One of these days I'll have a 'nago. This is how I would shot Drillers bike for print 2 exposures, perhaps 3. First the picture was put in the camera copy board behind glass focused at scale. Film was placed on a vacuum board, a continuous screen was placed over over the film. The screened film was exposed the greyscale is coming converted into high contrast dots of the highlights.
After that the vacuum board is opened and a secondary overall the screen in place in order to catch a shadow dot. DD's picture I may have actually used a 3rd exposure with the film still in place of and shoot the photo again without the screen to give the image an artificial highlight and move the middle tones. I probably would have made it look like this for print, depending on the type of stock for print.
For my version of the pic, I just used the B&W filter in Photoshop.
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12-20-18 | 04:37 PM
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12-20-18 | 04:39 PM
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12-21-18 | 10:55 PM
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Stock Ferrari 328 'shopped for a custom wheels Photoshop competition? Yes.
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12-21-18 | 11:05 PM
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12-21-18 | 11:42 PM
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It's a color shot of my Vitus Carbone, using my Samsung S7 phone camera, but it came out sort of washed out so it looks like it is in black and white......
I guess with a black and white bike, it might be hard to see the difference anyway??
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12-22-18 | 02:20 AM
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As these photos suggest, you can always desaturate in post. But to get the absolute best out of B&W you need to compose for it from the start. When you don't have color, the focus is all about the shadows.
12-22-18 | 06:55 AM
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12-23-18 | 12:10 PM
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So many great pictures, subjects, compositions. I can't stop looking.
Line shots, pictures of high contrast art would be shot and could be put to plate after proper proofing procedures. All the pictures I took for the graphic arts, so many subject matters, all the publications, logos, ads, silkscreens, foil stamp, embossing, all got shot on cameras like this.
Here is the back of the copy board, the lights on the sides, the bellows to the right.
The vacuum board closed with the focus ground glad flipped up.
Cameraman setting the lens.
Tray development.
Line shots, pictures of high contrast art would be shot and could be put to plate after proper proofing procedures. All the pictures I took for the graphic arts, so many subject matters, all the publications, logos, ads, silkscreens, foil stamp, embossing, all got shot on cameras like this.
Here is the back of the copy board, the lights on the sides, the bellows to the right.
The vacuum board closed with the focus ground glad flipped up.
Cameraman setting the lens.
Tray development.
12-23-18 | 12:43 PM
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