Huffy + Campagnolo Super Record = The Ultimate C&V Sacrilege build
05-31-23, 11:22 PM
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152.8lbs...that's me
176.2lbs...that's me and the bike...
176.2 - 152.8 =
23.4 pounds, baby!!!
And I can easily lose a lb with a lighter saddle. Plus the boat anchor stuff like the Campy QRs and steel bottom bracket and the headset...
But then again...that stuff is...Campy! We can't lose the Campy, right???
This is going to be the next conundrum...how do we get to sub-21lbs while maintaining all the delicioius Campy goodness?
Some things might have to be sacrificed...
???
176.2lbs...that's me and the bike...
176.2 - 152.8 =
23.4 pounds, baby!!!
And I can easily lose a lb with a lighter saddle. Plus the boat anchor stuff like the Campy QRs and steel bottom bracket and the headset...
But then again...that stuff is...Campy! We can't lose the Campy, right???
This is going to be the next conundrum...how do we get to sub-21lbs while maintaining all the delicioius Campy goodness?
Some things might have to be sacrificed...
???
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It would be cool if you could recreate the Huffy Aerowind commercial… wearing sandals.
I don’t even know where to begin. Thank you or berate you?
This thread has stimulated conversations, while at the same time disturbing the harmony of my own household. My young daughter sent me this text while I was at work today.
Thats a real screenshot, btw. I think she will get over it (with time, lots of therapy, and possibly inheriting one of my bikes some day).
I don’t even know where to begin. Thank you or berate you?
This thread has stimulated conversations, while at the same time disturbing the harmony of my own household. My young daughter sent me this text while I was at work today.
Thats a real screenshot, btw. I think she will get over it (with time, lots of therapy, and possibly inheriting one of my bikes some day).
Give her a Huffy. Face those fears head on.
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It was taking my time to shave off little tiny fractions of grams of leather from the underneath of the edges of the new leather so that it could lay a little flatter, all with clenching a razor blade and trying not to murder my hands by slicing them up to smithereeens. When I did this the other day on the (now useless, might I point out) other leather handlebar wrap, I stabbed/sliced my other hand 3 times before I had enough and went straight out to the garage and ground the sharp tip off the blade.
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06-01-23, 04:39 AM
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23.4lbs presently, eh? Brake hoods, toe clips, toe straps, and bottle cage will add a few oz, but not all that much. So the long-ride/concourse-ready weight might well end up <24lbs.
Very nice.
Very nice.
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06-01-23, 05:40 AM
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wow. I'm amazed at the weight.
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I am not a fan of the downtube wrap stand - the bike can list to one side and cause the stand to fall out from under the BB. Did one show years ago where I was chasing this issue all night. Never again.
Provided it is on a level surface, I'm partial to the PRO (Shimano) stands. About $40 a pop and well worth it. I have seven of these things and there's always one in use. Excellent stability, doesn't put pressure on painted parts (other than the inside of the left dropout), and doesn't detract from the bike. I've also abused mine to no end, and other than a bit of surface rust, the first three are just as good a decade later.
The other four were recently purchased from the LBS for $15-20 each, used and in about the same condition. One was slightly bent, and some concentrated force cold-set it right back into place (I get no respect, I even have to cold-set my stands
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I have used one on grass for exhibition, but I wasn't comfortable without sandbagging it on each side. Those are professional-quality 25lb bags, FYI - not some cheap toy bags sold on Amazon for amateur photographers.
You can even paint yours white and cut an H in the holes
-Kurt
Provided it is on a level surface, I'm partial to the PRO (Shimano) stands. About $40 a pop and well worth it. I have seven of these things and there's always one in use. Excellent stability, doesn't put pressure on painted parts (other than the inside of the left dropout), and doesn't detract from the bike. I've also abused mine to no end, and other than a bit of surface rust, the first three are just as good a decade later.
The other four were recently purchased from the LBS for $15-20 each, used and in about the same condition. One was slightly bent, and some concentrated force cold-set it right back into place (I get no respect, I even have to cold-set my stands
).I have used one on grass for exhibition, but I wasn't comfortable without sandbagging it on each side. Those are professional-quality 25lb bags, FYI - not some cheap toy bags sold on Amazon for amateur photographers.
You can even paint yours white and cut an H in the holes
-Kurt
Here is a pictorial representation how a stand for display should look. In your case the base of famulated walnut burl with the Lexan* sheet bolted to it either from the top or the side. Since the sheet I sent you has an off set like Kurt's stand, you will only need to put a slot in the sheet to maintain hub locknut just a bit above the base. Maybe Kurt will post a picture of his stand without a bike in it?
Lexan is stronger than plexiglass. It is used in race car windshields and such. Smiles, Scrooge McDuck
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Me too: far too heavy!
There are a lot of good ways to save weight. I can easily save 100g w/ a ti spindle and alloy cups. Possibly more, because that Campy thing is entirely steel. Probably the biggest weight is the saddle, where I can shave a whole pound.
It is very possible to get this under 22lbs. The ultimate goal? Under 21. That would be freaking amazing. It is possible. It is extreme. But we're good with extreme
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Just get a set of carbon wheels, that'll take another pound or so off
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06-01-23, 09:49 AM
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The saddle you have looks to be (or is very similar to) a Brooks Professional Select. Velobase gives the weight of the Brooks Professional Select as approx 548 grams.
Saving a full pound leaves you (548 - 454) = approx 96g for the replacement saddle.
Best I can tell, that's do-able with a bare full-carbon saddle - but you might not like the result. (If your seatpost supports clamping carbon rails, that is; I understand they must be clamped differently than a metal-railed saddle, and not all saddle clamps support them.) I don't think you'll find a full-carbon saddle (carbon rails/carbon shell) with padding that's <100g.
Since the Brooks suits you, I'd ride it with that. But it's your bike/project, so your call.
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Any vintage bike that sniffs around the 23 lb mark is good in my book, certainly for something in the 63cm+ size range (which I know this isn't). If the new-to-the-bike lighter saddle fits with the build, I'd do that and leave all the slaved-over Campy stuff as is. At least for now? But that's just like, my opinion, man. I understand the weight weenie game--it's fun, but can also be taxing and can take a build off of it's original mission......that is.....assuming that you didn't have world BF thread dominating plans to bait and switch this Huffpagnolo build into a Less Huffy More Stuffy high-end tip of the spear endeavor. Plot twist!
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I am not too surprised by the weight actually when the original weighing of the frame yielded some surprising results. Only about ~2 pounds heavier than a normal lightweight vintage frame.
Campy equipped bikes usually hovered around 21 pounds for SL/531 built bikes. Add the 2 pounds and there you are.
Weight was saved on the seat-post as well.
Campy equipped bikes usually hovered around 21 pounds for SL/531 built bikes. Add the 2 pounds and there you are.
Weight was saved on the seat-post as well.
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No, I'm not joking.
But he found another source for them that was cheaper and ordered them from the other source.
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06-01-23, 05:48 PM
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Yep - Kenda "Super Domestique" tubulars. As @SoCaled noted above, AMCO found them on the Hope Depot website after @Mr. Spadoni pointed him at them.
No, I'm not joking.
But he found another source for them that was cheaper and ordered them from the other source.
No, I'm not joking.
But he found another source for them that was cheaper and ordered them from the other source.
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06-01-23, 05:52 PM
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Since time is getting short for AMCO, just in case Kurt is tied up here's a link to an Amazon listing for a PRO Shimano 1-bike stand. Listing has photos of the empty stand from multiple angles.
https://www.amazon.com/PRO-Shimano-1.../dp/B00G4R4D92
https://www.amazon.com/PRO-Shimano-1.../dp/B00G4R4D92
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Since time is getting short for AMCO, just in case Kurt is tied up here's a link to an Amazon listing for a PRO Shimano 1-bike stand. Listing has photos of the empty stand from multiple angles.
https://www.amazon.com/PRO-Shimano-1.../dp/B00G4R4D92
https://www.amazon.com/PRO-Shimano-1.../dp/B00G4R4D92
https://www.google.com/search?q=shim...hrome&ie=UTF-8
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Wow, can you believe it? The ride is the day after tomorrow, and we're still not done
One of the last things on the list were the toe clips/straps.
AND...
I just happened to see this post in one of the other threads:
...and it inspired me to get to work on this part of the build for 100mi of riding in the next few days!
So, let's git 'r done!
Some weird piece of aluminum channel I found in the scrap bin at work -
A sneak peak!
Now, those series of photos probably mean absolutely nothing to you. Basically, I was going to attach the toe clips to the pedals, but I needed a backing plate for the pedals, just because it is really thin alloy, and I didn't want to marr anything or have anything crack or bust up the pedals.
Also, remember that picture of the leather? Well, I'm going to use some leather strips for toe straps, but I needed a way to attach it. I found these little alloy (Hint: superlight!) rivets that I wanted to try.
I needed a tool to set them, but I didn't have one, so let's make one!
One of the last things on the list were the toe clips/straps.
AND...
I just happened to see this post in one of the other threads:
...and it inspired me to get to work on this part of the build for 100mi of riding in the next few days!
So, let's git 'r done!
Some weird piece of aluminum channel I found in the scrap bin at work -
A sneak peak!
Now, those series of photos probably mean absolutely nothing to you. Basically, I was going to attach the toe clips to the pedals, but I needed a backing plate for the pedals, just because it is really thin alloy, and I didn't want to marr anything or have anything crack or bust up the pedals.
Also, remember that picture of the leather? Well, I'm going to use some leather strips for toe straps, but I needed a way to attach it. I found these little alloy (Hint: superlight!) rivets that I wanted to try.
I needed a tool to set them, but I didn't have one, so let's make one!
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06-01-23, 10:57 PM
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Basically, what this tool does is set a little alloy ring/washer down onto the rivet and it is a really tight fit, design to hold your stuff together, and then you clip the rest of the rivet off with just a little bit overhanging, and then you peen that down and whala.
Looks like a good fit -
I measured, marked, and then drilled some holes in the leather for the toe straps to prepare them -
Oh yeah, making great progress!
Well, while at the store, the lady warned me that these alloy rivets are a huge pain to use. No problemo, I think. After all, they are 'lightweight alloy' which is exactly what we want!
Well, she wasn't wrong!
Whoops!
I had to redo about 4-5 rivets, as they kept bending. I thought I was going to take that yellow clamp in the background and go to down and the little washer would just press on. YEAH RIGHT
So I finally got this barbell weight and just started using that as an anvil and things started going better -
Looks like a good fit -
I measured, marked, and then drilled some holes in the leather for the toe straps to prepare them -
Oh yeah, making great progress!
Well, while at the store, the lady warned me that these alloy rivets are a huge pain to use. No problemo, I think. After all, they are 'lightweight alloy' which is exactly what we want!
Well, she wasn't wrong!
Whoops!
I had to redo about 4-5 rivets, as they kept bending. I thought I was going to take that yellow clamp in the background and go to down and the little washer would just press on. YEAH RIGHT
So I finally got this barbell weight and just started using that as an anvil and things started going better -
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