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#77
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Is there a way to mount it so it's outboard without having to re-do your bar covering? That way it would interfere AND give you the auto downshift.
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#78
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Here's a picture of my 54-speed Cannondale.
I recently switched out the bars that I bought from Velo Orange. While browsing their site I spotted this front rack at a great price of $40 something. It's designed specifically for a certain type of bars which have four mounting points. I thought I could make it work with a bit of creativity.


At the bars I used two of VO's handlebar water cage mounts. However, it still needed support from below. I had the struts from an unused rear rack, but where and how would I attach them to the frame or fork? The Headshok suspension presents challenges. The brake bosses were not an option.
I recently switched out the bars that I bought from Velo Orange. While browsing their site I spotted this front rack at a great price of $40 something. It's designed specifically for a certain type of bars which have four mounting points. I thought I could make it work with a bit of creativity.


At the bars I used two of VO's handlebar water cage mounts. However, it still needed support from below. I had the struts from an unused rear rack, but where and how would I attach them to the frame or fork? The Headshok suspension presents challenges. The brake bosses were not an option.
Egad!
Why? Why is that headlamp set where it will illuminate the back of what you have on the rack, but not the road ahead?
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Now this, Ladies n' Germs, is what I'm talkin' aboot! From the whatever-in-hell-that-thing-is eyebolt thing, to the "use anything round with a hole through the middle" washer stacks used to square up the rack, and the pièce de résistance... or maybe coup de grâce... the presta valve caps as safety caps for the cut ends of the allthread. (That stuff can cut the crap outta ya!)
And Bella? Funky? Bella is funky enough to be George Clinton's bar bike.
--Shannon
And Bella? Funky? Bella is funky enough to be George Clinton's bar bike.
--Shannon
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This thread is an eye opener, literally. I have widened my eyes with every post. I can't decide which I love the most. But ShannonM, I'm disappointed you don't show us pictures of the bad front derailleur idea.
Bad idea 97: There was a bike parked outside in my neighborhood for a couple of years which had a tree limb as the handlebar.
Bad idea 48: Once, I put a centerpull brake caliper on the rear a ladies bike. I routed the brake cable in the normal way, looping up from the top tube to the caliper. I anchored the cable end to the seat lug somehow and installed the cable stop/adjuster to the yoke which operates the brake. It looked weird but worked fine.
Bad idea 97: There was a bike parked outside in my neighborhood for a couple of years which had a tree limb as the handlebar.
Bad idea 48: Once, I put a centerpull brake caliper on the rear a ladies bike. I routed the brake cable in the normal way, looping up from the top tube to the caliper. I anchored the cable end to the seat lug somehow and installed the cable stop/adjuster to the yoke which operates the brake. It looked weird but worked fine.
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#81
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In the long term I plan to make a leather bag for the rack and mount an appropriate light to the eyelet at the bottom front of the rack. The light will then be located between the fender and the rack and will be unobstructed. Hopefully it will appeal to your sense of style and practicality.
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#82
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Tried to use electrical tape and carbon grip paste to protect a new carbon handlebar on my ancient 26" Trek MTB from the 90s:

Worked terribly. Torqued to 5nm, the handlebars would start slipping, rotating down every week. The electrical tape just seemed to make things more slippery. The stem only having two bolts at the handlebar clamp instead of 4 didn't help.
Eventually it slipped on a long trip, I didn't have a torque wrench handy, over-torqued it in frustration trying to get it functional enough to ride home, and CRACK.

Worked terribly. Torqued to 5nm, the handlebars would start slipping, rotating down every week. The electrical tape just seemed to make things more slippery. The stem only having two bolts at the handlebar clamp instead of 4 didn't help.
Eventually it slipped on a long trip, I didn't have a torque wrench handy, over-torqued it in frustration trying to get it functional enough to ride home, and CRACK.
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At the time I took the picture, just after assembly, I was going for a ride in the daylight and transporting nothing on the rack. The light was there for a visual clue to approaching automotive drivers, i.e. it was there for safety reasons and not illumination for after sunset riding.
In the long term I plan to make a leather bag for the rack and mount an appropriate light to the eyelet at the bottom front of the rack. The light will then be located between the fender and the rack and will be unobstructed. Hopefully it will appeal to your sense of style and practicality.
In the long term I plan to make a leather bag for the rack and mount an appropriate light to the eyelet at the bottom front of the rack. The light will then be located between the fender and the rack and will be unobstructed. Hopefully it will appeal to your sense of style and practicality.
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Duragrouch , nicely done! I own a similar Dahon that I've modified several different times. It is currently set-up with drop bars and Shimano 105 gear. But my plan after the new year for a redux is to use these items I just ordered from Velo Orange.

I also ordered matching brake cables.
The microSHIFT Advent set will be paired with my SRAM DualDrive 3-speed IGH rear wheel and a dynamo front. I plan to keep it as a "Zero Bike" at my daughter's home in Knoxville and use it for rides in the Smokies foothills.

I also ordered matching brake cables.
The microSHIFT Advent set will be paired with my SRAM DualDrive 3-speed IGH rear wheel and a dynamo front. I plan to keep it as a "Zero Bike" at my daughter's home in Knoxville and use it for rides in the Smokies foothills.

For serious hills like where I live now, even with the small 20"/406 wheels on the Dahon, a 52-30 low was not low enough. Fitting a wide double crank (50/34) was the best thing I ever did, stalled years before doing it, shouldn't have. But the IGH should get you there. I just preferred to avoid IGH for a number of reasons. I've seen several Dahon Speed TR ("touring") for sale, they have that setup, but on a long tour, I'd rather have all-external gearing, it's hard to find places on the road who can repair any IGH, and even in my town, all the bike shops refer folks to the one shop specializing in that.
What do you mean "zero bike"?
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I can see it from a "Don't-Mar-The-Paint" perspective as well. I should take some related to this subject pix and post here.
ETA:

I actually prefer the Pletscher style rear racks. They can be hard to find at times. About all this one is good for is tying the U-lock to.
The S/S straps on this "rack" don't pass through, or around, the seat stays, hence the bending. For the light duty purpose intended, it works.
-D.S.
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I'll probably limit myself to 20–30-mile rides, so I won't worry too much. I've had great luck with the DualDrive on my 2003 Cannondale. It has never given me any problems so I'm not concerned about reliability in this application..
I believe gugie came up with the term "Zero Bike." It is a bike which you store in a distant location for riding when you visit. Since it is not part of the "at-home" collection, it does not figure into the count when your SO tells friends, "Bob has 20
bikes!" I have limited storage space there so the Dahon needs to be folded when I'm not there and kept in a closet.
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#92
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Bikes: It's complicated.
I believe gugie came up with the term "Zero Bike."
And a clarification - although zero bikes typically reside far from the owner’s home, they could be ar a neighbor’s house. As long as your significant other doesn’t know about it and doesn’t count as part of your collection, it’s a zero bike.
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#93
There is some competition for the finite* number of bike hanging hooks, so we basically define n as the number that need hooks. But other than that she's happy when I get another bike. I think in her mind it kinda gives her permission to get herself another too. Not that she needs anyone's permission.
* I have ideas for where to add more bike hanging hooks, so though the curve appears to be nearing an asymptote, I don't know yet if it's actually finite.
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#95
asymptote
(1) (mathematical analysis) A straight line which a curve approaches arbitrarily closely as it goes to infinity. The limit of the curve; its tangent "at infinity".
(2) (by extension, figuratively) Anything which comes near to but never meets something else.
So, my number of bike storage hooks, graphed as a function of time, keeps getting larger. Does it approach some asymptote that it can never exceed, or is it in fact infinite? Logic suggests the former, since my basement is finite and there's a limit to how tightly you can pack bikes together. But we have our best minds working on a solution to that.
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I ain't no mathemagician, but I use it as lay people do, with the second definition below (from Wiktionary):
asymptote
(1) (mathematical analysis) A straight line which a curve approaches arbitrarily closely as it goes to infinity. The limit of the curve; its tangent "at infinity".
(2) (by extension, figuratively) Anything which comes near to but never meets something else.
So, my number of bike storage hooks, graphed as a function of time, keeps getting larger. Does it approach some asymptote that it can never exceed, or is it in fact infinite? Logic suggests the former, since my basement is finite and there's a limit to how tightly you can pack bikes together. But we have our best minds working on a solution to that.--Shannon
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An asymptote is a curve that approaches a line without ever touching or crossing it.
Here is a graph of y = 1 / x
It approaches zero but is never zero.

Here is a graph of y = 1 / x
It approaches zero but is never zero.

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I think there could also be an asymptotic curve involved in bicycle storage. In increasing density:
Bikes side by side with enough room to readily access them (typical non-aficionado storage).
Bikes nose to tail to fit more in laterally.
Vertically-hung bikes.
Bikes with removed front wheels.
Double-stacked bikes using holders, trays, or shelves. (most of my bike storage is somewhere in this range)
Dismantled bicycles. (several project bikes in the trailer are at this stage)
Cut-apart bicycles.
Bicycles run through a shredder.
I'm sure I missed some intermediate steps, but using the final option could get hundreds of bicycles in a single shed. Although it would take a very long time and possibly breaking the laws of thermodynamics to get one together for the morning's ride. But it is a theoretical solution for the storage problem.
Bikes side by side with enough room to readily access them (typical non-aficionado storage).
Bikes nose to tail to fit more in laterally.
Vertically-hung bikes.
Bikes with removed front wheels.
Double-stacked bikes using holders, trays, or shelves. (most of my bike storage is somewhere in this range)
Dismantled bicycles. (several project bikes in the trailer are at this stage)
Cut-apart bicycles.
Bicycles run through a shredder.
I'm sure I missed some intermediate steps, but using the final option could get hundreds of bicycles in a single shed. Although it would take a very long time and possibly breaking the laws of thermodynamics to get one together for the morning's ride. But it is a theoretical solution for the storage problem.
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I have to remember the use of valve stem caps as finishing nuts; just freaking awesome.






