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Old 12-23-23, 09:42 AM
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That's my ATB, my every purpose bike. On these pictures, it's been dressed up as a tourer to go along the Atlantic coast, a 700 km tour that I've done two years ago.



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Old 12-23-23, 02:52 PM
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We don't allow junk posts to get to 10 posts, sorry, it's to combat spammers. I'm sorry you have to wait a couple of days. Go make real comments on other threads on the forum, or introduce yourself and welcome other new members in the introductions subforum.

What you can do is post your pictures in an album in your gallery. Let us know here and we will rescue them for you.
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Old 12-24-23, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TenGrainBread
Most tourists riding lightweight bicycles over the last 80 years have simply not seen the need for a touring tire over 25-32mm in width, which most sidepull brakes can handle. So your question is somewhat anachronistic in that you are assuming that wide tires (over 32mm) were always available and preferred for touring, which is not the case. A short review of bikes in this thread show that most came stock with 27" wheels with 1 1/8" or at most 1 1/4" wide tires. No problem for most sidepulls to handle.

The notable exception is the wide-tired 650b hiker bicycles of France from the 30s to the 70s, which is what the bikes in your picture are. These bikes generally required cantilevers or long reach centerpulls for clearance as they had tires 38-42mm in width and almost always had mudguards. By the 80s, most French framebuilders had abandoned 650b in favor of skinnier 700c tires even for touring bikes. There has only been a recent resurgence in interest in these wider tires in the last 20 years or so.
Way back when I upgraded to 1 3/8 with center pull brakes. With all my gear and my fat butt the extra cushion and protection from flats was very useful.
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Old 12-24-23, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
The myth of overly stiff aluminum Cannondales! A pet peeve of mine.

Yes, Cannondale's aluminum Crit series bikes, the ultra-short-wheelbase racing bikes they sold in the late '80's and early '90's, do ride stiffly---every bit as stiffly as the many steel Italian bikes designed with criterium geometry on offer during the same era..

I rode the top Bianchi racing model, the Specialissima Super Corsa, back then---very fast, but just as unforgiving on rough surfaces as the Cannondale crit bikes.

Of course, the only people who were in a position to compare high-end Italian crit bikes to Cannondale crit bikes were those willing to pay for the expensive frameset, plus the (usually) Campagnolo Super Record gruppo, plus a matching build kit, plus the labor to build it.

So it's fair to guess that the ratio of the number of people who went Italian, despite the trouble and expense, to the number who simply walked into a Cannondale dealership and bought one off the rack, for considerably less money, was something like 1:500.

In any event, the racers who were buying Italian framesets and building them up were mostly stepping up from another racing bike and didn't worry about comfort---they just wanted the lightest, fastest bike available.

(Short wheelbases weren't actually faster, except in terms of being ideal for riding elbow-to-elbow in a peloton, but we didn't know that back then. It wasn't until several years later that the Italians and everyone else went back to using more sensible dimensions for their racing bikes.)

So it's the wheelbase, not the frame material, that determines the smoothness or harshness of the bike's ride. (In the analogy employed by the reviewer of the ST400, that's why limos get stretched.)

Anyone who still wants to argue the point---please go ride, e.g., a (steel) Ciöcc Mockba '80 criterium bike (named for the 1980 Moscow Olympics) for 50 or 100 miles and then a Cannondale Crit series bike and report back.

Here's a road test/bike review of Cannondale's first bike model---the ST400. The reviewer speculates that the biggest hit against the bike might be that it's too versatile---great for loaded and sport touring, but take off the racks and it's great for racing a triathlon---in an era when people expected a given bike to be optimized for only one use case.
So true. When I got too old to race the 'dale and started touring the ST was the logical choice. Since I needed a big frame the stiffness was a huge plus and wide tires took care of the comfort. It was no harsher than any touring bike and a lot more stable.
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Old 04-02-24, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuckk
Picked this up two weeks ago from the son of the original owner:
1984 ("BB") Cannondale ST400 that looks to have been built up originally as an '85 model with 600EX components.
Then it went through an upgrade ~ '90 with Tricolor 600 to get 700c wheels, click shifting and aero levers.
Still has the '84 EX crank, calipers and FD.

Honestly this is one of the best riding bikes I have ever owned. I have two long wheelbase bikes (42 inch with 18 inch stays), this 'dale and an '82 Trek 720. The Cannondale, IMO, is a better riding bike (and I'm generally partial to steel bikes) because it is responsive like a racing bike (since the tubing is overbuilt) but also comfortable to ride with 32 c tires. The only knock I have on the bike is that you can barely squeeze in 32c tires and fenders.
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Old 04-02-24, 11:18 AM
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"Old" and "new" touring bikes

I rebuilt a 1982 Trek 720 a few years ago to use as a touring bike. I rode an '83 across the country in '97. I like the 1982 Trek 720, but then I picked up a 1993 Trek 750 (lugged hybrid, same geometry as the 520). I plan on rebuilding the 750 as my "new" vintage touring bike. Here is a pic of the 720 as built up and a pic of the 750 as found in the wild.

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Originally Posted by AeroFred
That's my ATB, my every purpose bike. On these pictures, it's been dressed up as a tourer to go along the Atlantic coast, a 700 km tour that I've done two years ago.


That's really sporty!

The Command Shifters and those Gran Compe levers really caught my eye-

I'm interested in more pix!!!
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Originally Posted by bikemig
Honestly this is one of the best riding bikes I have ever owned. I have two long wheelbase bikes (42 inch with 18 inch stays), this 'dale and an '82 Trek 720. The Cannondale, IMO, is a better riding bike (and I'm generally partial to steel bikes) because it is responsive like a racing bike (since the tubing is overbuilt) but also comfortable to ride with 32 c tires. The only knock I have on the bike is that you can barely squeeze in 32c tires and fenders.
Agree with this 100%, I have a beat '88 ST 600 and a '83 Trek 720 and I also prefer the ST. I've got 32c tires on it but no room for fenders. At least I am NOT good enough to get 32's and fenders squeezed in there so I ride without.
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Old 04-05-24, 06:02 AM
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My favorite hybrid gravel touring bike after being upgraded, the 1993 Giant Tourer



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Nothing fancy in terms of tubing, but it's the bike that "started it all". Most parts (aside from the headset) have since been changed. Even built my first set of wheels for it (Miche hubs 32H each, Mavic rims, DT spokes/nipples)



Really would like to get my hands on one of those classic low-trail, canti touring bikes. Obvious choices like Miyata 1000 and the like. If I were to go custom, this is the geometry I would want. Weirdly, I cannot seem to find any "proper" touring frames around here (Austria) which come with canti-bosses.
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Old 04-05-24, 04:42 PM
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1990 Miyata 600GT.

I bought it as a frame set in early 91 as my ride for PBP that year. I hung my own choice of parts on it. I built the wheels around SA brake drum hubs and Araya 27" rims. It was micro drive before micro drive was a thing. 40/34/28 SR up front and a 13/28 Winner 6 speed freewheel in the back. FD is a VX and RD is a V-GT. The saddle is a Wrights WSN I've had since 1970. The shift lever on the seat tube is to activate the old Sanyo dynamo. Worked in 1991 and still works today. I did several tours on it after PBP. I kind of just look at it now.

And for something when speed is not of the essence. 1974-ish Raleigh Sports loaded for bear.
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Several years ago, I had the pleasure of restoring this 1983 Specialized Expedition... It's posted somewhere here in the 113 or so pages of vintage touring bikes ...Here's a link to a blog post about it: 1983 Specialized Expedition
Sadly, I sold that bike to make room for other projects.... one of the bike sales that I later regretted. Such a great bike. Well, as luck would have it, I was blessed with the opportunity to once again own an Expedition. If you care to read the story behind this recent restoration, please take a look here: 1983 Specialized Expedition - The "Oregon" Expedition

This bike (similar to the previous '83 that I owned) is such a joy to ride. It just seems so perfectly balanced and peaceful. I don't intend to let this one go.


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Originally Posted by gthomson
I'm curious, how come some bikes came with cantilever brakes instead of side pull brakes, allowing for larger wheels? It makes sense that buyers might prefer a larger tire and yet so many came with side pull brakes which would limit the tire size. Example below is not my bike but found on Pinterest. The frames appear to be similar, same components, except the braking system.



My bike which might allow 30 mm tires at best.
The French constructors who took tandems and all else very seriously used cantis to win a lot of competitions, races and contests.

The Concourse de machines technical time trials, Paris Brest Paris, Poly Du Chanteloup hillclimb, Criterium de Paris and many other brutal races were fiercely contested in a take no prisoner battles,

The cantis played a big part in stopping and slowing blistering performances that it took to compete in and win them with.
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Originally Posted by bikamper
1990 Miyata 600GT.

I bought it as a frame set in early 91 as my ride for PBP that year. I hung my own choice of parts on it. I built the wheels around SA brake drum hubs and Araya 27" rims.
Wouldn't that Miyata normally have come with 700c wheels?
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Hello,
I'm glad you appreciate it !

The Dia Compe Wing shifters are very good and I love the micro-ratcheting. That's the ideal configuration for travelling, it always works ! Back then, I used it in combination with a Sachs New Success derailleur and Shimano 8s 11-32 cassette.
When travelling with paniers and tent, you easily add 25-30kg. So I had to change my cranks. Initially, my TA crank had 28-40-48 chainrings and I changed the middle and granny ones, so I now have 26-36-48 rings . . .

Today, this bike has evolved. I put a SON dynamo and lights, a Campagnolo derailleur with Campy Record 8s thumb shifters, Campy mtb cantis with koolstop pads, Campy brake levers. And with a new confort bar, it's a different bike now !


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
That's really sporty!

The Command Shifters and those Gran Compe levers really caught my eye-

I'm interested in more pix!!!

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My 1990 ST400. Since buying it last fall I’ve added my own personal choices; Brooks saddle and tape, SKS fenders, Kenda CX tires. Koolstop pads are next. If I can quit buying project bikes I’ll give this Cannondale a full service. I hope someday to find a set of blue bags to match (that I can afford). It’s a 25 inch frame and has turned out to be the most comfortable riding bike I own.

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Originally Posted by rgvg
Wouldn't that Miyata normally have come with 700c wheels?
Most likely. Built it up with what I had on hand thirty some years ago.
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