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Old 04-15-14, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by EBH
Very nice
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How do you mix 8 speed drivetrain with modern wheels?
8,9 & 10 speed cassettes will all fit on the same freehub. 7 speed will fit with a spacer. 11 speed needs an 11 speed freehub (except Campy).

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you roadies are lucky you can easily get modern wheels that are compatible with rim brakes.. over in 26" land everything is disc brake now
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Originally Posted by bikejunkie
8,9 & 10 speed cassettes will all fit on the same freehub. 7 speed will fit with a spacer. 11 speed needs an 11 speed freehub.
Not quite true, this is Campagnolo. 9, 10 and 11 share a freehub, 8 speed is different.
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Originally Posted by bikejunkie
8,9 & 10 speed cassettes will all fit on the same freehub. 7 speed will fit with a spacer. 11 speed needs an 11 speed freehub (except Campy).
Originally Posted by Italuminium
Not quite true, this is Campagnolo. 9, 10 and 11 share a freehub, 8 speed is different.
Italuminium is correct.

there are three solutions for 8spd campy and modern wheels

1. shimano freehub and a shimano 7spd cassette. You loose a cog, but spacing (5mm) is identical so shifting is perfect.

2. Once upon a time, campy sold a spacer set that would let you respace a campy 9spd cassette to 8spd (you removed a cog) for use on their 9-11spd wheels.

3. Wheels manufacturing make spacers to respace a shimano 8 cassette to campy 8
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Originally Posted by thirdgenbird
Italuminium is correct.

there are three solutions for 8spd campy and modern wheels

1. shimano freehub and a shimano 7spd cassette. You loose a cog, but spacing (5mm) is identical so shifting is perfect.

2. Once upon a time, campy sold a spacer set that would let you respace a campy 9spd cassette to 8spd (you removed a cog) for use on their 9-11spd wheels.

3. Wheels manufacturing make spacers to respace a shimano 8 cassette to campy 8
Good suggestions.

At the front, it's possible to convert the levers to 9 or 10 speeds. There's a company that does that for you if you don't have the mechanical chops to pull it off. Ergo Levers - Branford Bike - Seattle/Bellevue - Campagnolo Pro Shop
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Originally Posted by sumgy
Concorde Prelude built up with 10 speed Record.
I've not seen a Concorde that didn't impress. They really made nice stuff.
Building them well seems to be the rule, rather than the exception.

Welcome to the forum, and I'll bet the pictures don't do it justice.
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Originally Posted by thirdgenbird
Italuminium is correct.

there are three solutions for 8spd campy and modern wheels

1. shimano freehub and a shimano 7spd cassette. You loose a cog, but spacing (5mm) is identical so shifting is perfect.

2. Once upon a time, campy sold a spacer set that would let you respace a campy 9spd cassette to 8spd (you removed a cog) for use on their 9-11spd wheels.

3. Wheels manufacturing make spacers to respace a shimano 8 cassette to campy 8
Yep, the issue always begins with the freehub. If it's Campy modern, going for 8-sp requires some real modifications. If it's a Shimano freehub, there are plenty of options. You can even run a straight 8-sp Shimano cassette on the Shimano freehub, with some chatter at one end of the spectrum, easily adjusted with the DT cable adjuster.
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Quoted for new page. I love a good Concorde and that mix of black, white, chrome and silver is gorgeous!
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Originally Posted by thirdgenbird
Italuminium is correct.

there are three solutions for 8spd campy and modern wheels

1. shimano freehub and a shimano 7spd cassette. You loose a cog, but spacing (5mm) is identical so shifting is perfect.

2. Once upon a time, campy sold a spacer set that would let you respace a campy 9spd cassette to 8spd (you removed a cog) for use on their 9-11spd wheels.

3. Wheels manufacturing make spacers to respace a shimano 8 cassette to campy 8
The wheelset was for Shimano. I have the original freehub, swapped for the campy. Will take option number 3 for 1000, Alex!
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
I've bought/sold 2 of those, a '97 and a '98. If I recall correctly, that was a triple setup, Ofmega crankset? There are a LOT of decals on that model. I think I'd just get some basic Bianchi, and a Trofeo if possible, and run it. Avanti needs to stay clean and well-lubed, won't let you down.
Thanks for the info, yes it is an Ofmega crank. And yea there is a bunch of decals, I actually found another shot of a celeste one that I think is an older model than mine. Almost the exact same decals though.



Anyways I figure it's pretty much a lost cause at this point so I might just throw some basic black decals on there and call it a day.
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For Campy 8-speed, try eight Shimano 7-speed cogs on a new 11-speed Shimano wheel...

As someone said, Shimano 7 and Campy 8 have the same cog spacing, there's just one less cog on the Shimano. On one of my Campy 8 ergo bikes, I have a Shimano 7 speed cassette on an 8/9/10 wheel with an added cog for a total of 8 Campy spaced cogs. Most 8/9/10 Shimano compatible freehubs will not fit this extra cog, but I'd bet most of the new 11 speed freehubs will work.

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Yep, the issue always begins with the freehub. If it's Campy modern, going for 8-sp requires some real modifications. If it's a Shimano freehub, there are plenty of options. You can even run a straight 8-sp Shimano cassette on the Shimano freehub, with some chatter at one end of the spectrum, easily adjusted with the DT cable adjuster.

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Originally Posted by triggahiccups
Thanks for the info, yes it is an Ofmega crank. And yea there is a bunch of decals, I actually found another shot of a celeste one that I think is an older model than mine. Almost the exact same decals though.



Anyways I figure it's pretty much a lost cause at this point so I might just throw some basic black decals on there and call it a day.
I bought/sold a celeste one "97 I'm pretty sure, came with Avanti 2x8 and a Miche crankset. I bought it specifcally for a friend's wife, and she still rides it. The wheels are very hard to get tires on/off. About a month later, I found a '98 for my friend so he could ride with his wife, the Fire Red metallic. Decals are almost identical, and very numerous, seemed like Bianchi slapped a decal on every available space. Still, a good bike, love the stiffness of that oval flattened DT where it goes into the BB shell. The triple made me envious, I seriously thought about swapping it to 2x8 Veloce before I delivered it to my friend... Should be Miche cassettes on there, as well.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
I've not seen a Concorde that didn't impress. They really made nice stuff.
Building them well seems to be the rule, rather than the exception.

Welcome to the forum, and I'll bet the pictures don't do it justice.
Thanks Robbie
She is a beautiful bike.
Sadly it seems that they are not given much interest by most. Seems that you mention Concorde and peoples eyes glaze over here and elsewhere despite the fact that they seem to be built by Ciocc (mine has the flag on the top tube and looks very similar to their San Cristobal model).
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Originally Posted by sumgy
Thanks Robbie
She is a beautiful bike.
Sadly it seems that they are not given much interest by most. Seems that you mention Concorde and peoples eyes glaze over here and elsewhere despite the fact that they seem to be built by Ciocc (mine has the flag on the top tube and looks very similar to their San Cristobal model).
That might be a US thing. Over here in The Netherlands, home base of Veltec (the company that had Concorde as its main Italianesque brand for years) nearly every collector has one concorde or another kicking around. They're highly visible and widely available.
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Originally Posted by sumgy
Thanks Robbie
She is a beautiful bike.
Sadly it seems that they are not given much interest by most. Seems that you mention Concorde and peoples eyes glaze over here and elsewhere despite the fact that they seem to be built by Ciocc (mine has the flag on the top tube and looks very similar to their San Cristobal model).
I'm a fan of my Concorde, but mine appears to have had a front end collision. It came to me without a fork and previous owner said there was no evidence of damage near the lugs. After looking closely, I see a tiny dimple near the point of the lug on the bottom of the top tube, but I ride it with its replacement fork and love it. Between the nicer Concordes and some Gazelles, there were some really nice looking dutch frames made in the 80's. With the emphasis placed on cycling in that region, I don't know why the italians get all the love. Whatever, I like mine and you appear to like yours.
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Originally Posted by himespau
I'm a fan of my Concorde, but mine appears to have had a front end collision. It came to me without a fork and previous owner said there was no evidence of damage near the lugs. After looking closely, I see a tiny dimple near the point of the lug on the bottom of the top tube, but I ride it with its replacement fork and love it. Between the nicer Concordes and some Gazelles, there were some really nice looking dutch frames made in the 80's. With the emphasis placed on cycling in that region, I don't know why the italians get all the love. Whatever, I like mine and you appear to like yours.
Again, Veltec had many subcontractors working for them in Italy to supply the Dutch market with Italian frames. We were, and still are, infatuated with beautiful Italian bikes!
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Originally Posted by Italuminium
That might be a US thing. Over here in The Netherlands, home base of Veltec (the company that had Concorde as its main Italianesque brand for years) nearly every collector has one concorde or another kicking around. They're highly visible and widely available.
I am in Australia.
Not much love for them here either.
Just been out for another ride on her.
Smooth, quiet and I have had more Strava PB's in the last few weeks than I can count.
She is a joy to ride and my CF bike is gathering dust.
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Originally Posted by sumgy
She is a joy to ride and my CF bike is gathering dust.
Music to RobbieTunes' ears...
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If you are interested, here is the link to my thread about my Prelude:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ncorde+prelude
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Have you seen this thread?
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...-concorde.html
Yours is nice BTW sumgy, and one day I'm gonna put a modern group on my Aquila
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Got it all up and running. Here's a shot from it's maiden ride a couple of days ago.
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