I'm in the midst of buying an old Colnago super, can anyone tell me if Colnago ever used gipiemme dropouts on the super frame? Also "colnago" is not printed on the seatstays, should that be worrying? There are clovers cut out on the ht/tt, ht/dt and tt/seat tube lug's

here is a picture:

can anyone tell me if it is authentic, i don't really know too much about Colnago's

to add: 54 C128 is printed on the BB, there is no colnago cut out on the BB shell

The fork and the seatstay caps I'm not familiar with. I'm used to seeing concave seatstay caps on Colnagos. Could be a Super Piu.

The real Colnago experts will be along in a moment.

I'm inclined to say its authentic:

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...highlight=fake

The three cable guides on the top tube point towards a real Colnago.

Looks like oversized lugged tubing, hence that seatstay treatment - seemed to be a popular joining method during the start of the Columbus EL era.

Strange fork treatment.

-Kurt

Actually, most only have two single loop TT cable guides. Plus most do not have serial numbers on the BB.

so if it is authentic, is it a lower end model? is it worth the time and money to build it up

You are indeed right. I posted before I had coffee. I Had a look and yes, the three cable guides are indeed suspect. Sorry for the misinfo!

How do you dismiss the cutouts in the lugs? Would someone actually build a counterfit frame? Aren't the flat top fork crowns indicitive of an early frame? The stays really have me confused. No stamps and not deformed vertically on the chain stays.
Does the steerer tube have a dove stamped it it?

Not an expert, just learning about the wide range of Colnago frames. What a hap hazzard history!

YES

Nothing fishy about that bike. Quite simply, few of that model saw the states compared to the SL,SLXs etc. Early EL I think, curved fork , pre-89 ...

I'm wondering if it's a Cornelo, or possibly a Colner (which was built by colnago).
The Cornelo is from Belgium, house brand from Kokke shop.
see this thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/209811-colnago-super-record.html
Colner is a contraction of Colnago and Ernesto.
what is the threading on the BB? what width BB? can you get better
pictures of the lugs (headtube) and dropouts?

marty

In '83 the seat stays caps were flat with the Colnago stamp. Though it may vary from model to model. Of all the '83 vintage frames. They all look much the same with some exceptions for more exotic versions. The Super and Superissimo look identical with exception of chrome exposure and decals. Tubing may have varied.

Every single one of you guys has pointed out at least one incongruous feature of this frame. It has a plain-Jane flat crown, though I've spotted the stay arrangement before, just now too. The paint is similar but not quite as intense as one I just saw on the net. Some, myself included are evaluating all based on its being EL/OS, looks like it not sure, need to meas. the OD of the tubes. Supers overall that I've seen received better treatment, much better, even the Super lable looks plain.

Not suggesting it's a fony. The International is a prime example of Colnago's being all over the place. All of this is easier to reconcile if we were to know if it's from Europe.
Merckx for example had Euro-market models different from the US. This bike has more exceptions than it does typical features.

I just noticed that he seatpost pinch bolt hole is keyed. Campy pinch bolts aren't keyed!

The cutouts on the head lug look painted on (as do the tangs under the fork crown), the seatstay caps look like a Chiorda, the chainstay ends look British, and the paint job says no older than late '80s. I'm not saying someone would build a counterfeit Colnago, but it's not unheard of to paint a lesser bike to try to look like one.

I think even from the distortion in the photo that you can tell the tangs are real as are the cutouts. The lug cutouts aren't something you could do after the fact. I'm not Colnago expert, but it looks plausible to me.

Definitely NOT a Colnago.
Don't buy it!

Regardless, all it takes to make a clover are three passes of a drill bit and 15 minutes of filing.

-Kurt

Its not a home made fake, Its a Cornello or Colner with Colnago decals.