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Old 10-25-18, 08:31 AM
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I don't think having an old sock jammed in the Bottom Bracket for 40 years did the bike any favours...

The spindle and cups are both quite rough but I'm obligated to clean and repack as the BSA threading would make finding/fitting another cup virtually impossible.
Should be able to clean and polish to a reasonable state.
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Somewhat Interesting
On a Raleigh built headset, the bottom race sits inside the cup.

On the BSA, the bottom race is flush which explains the second race, which sits inside the cup.
Hence, "Inserted head cup races" as stated in the catalogue.
Never too late to learn something new.


Same on the top.
So it wasn't tomfoolery after all

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Little Details

46 stamped on the back of the chain ring.

BSA logo stamped on crank.
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Maybe I missed it, was this frame spray painted black? Looks like the blue would come out with a little extra effort.
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Originally Posted by gster
That was his favourite sock, too.
Sock it to me!
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Originally Posted by gster
BSA
Bits Strewn All Over
The spindle and cups are both quite rough but I'm obligated to clean and repack as the BSA threading would make finding/fitting another cup virtually impossible.
Should be able to clean and polish to a reasonable state.
BSA should have bog standard BSC/ISO threads. If the Cup is a BW, I've got one for you and maybe the spindle too if you measure the length and offset. Shipping costs.
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
Maybe I missed it, was this frame spray painted black? Looks like the blue would come out with a little extra effort.
I think the black is the base/undercoat with the blue on top.
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict
Question about wheel size.

The Sport comes in 26" wheel. The Roadster comes in 28" wheel.

What was the rationale for going to a smaller wheel size when the Sport was created?

P.s. I see in Japan and in Europe the 28" wheel (ISO 635) are still very popular.
Eventhough the average height of Japanese is short...they still use those big 28" wheel. I wonder why...doesn't make sense.
I can only guess that they realized 26" made more sense as it would fit more people. I think on average, the English are tall, taller than Americans.

28" doesn't make much sense for Japan or India where those bikes are also common. Except that it's a long-held standard. I honestly don't know how they fit on those bikes.
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Originally Posted by clubman
BSA should have bog standard BSC/ISO threads. If the Cup is a BW, I've got one for you and maybe the spindle too if you measure the length and offset. Shipping costs.
Thanks for the offer.
Let me see how mine clean up.
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Sock It To Me, Baby..


Could this sock have been inside the BB since 1953?
A disgruntled worker playing a prank?
I would take a lot of work to jam it inside and then seal it up....
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Originally Posted by PeterLYoung
Dan: That is a great video and clearly describes the process for dismantling and re-assembling the BSA Hub Gear, plus describing how it works, a great tool for those who come across these hubs, as you say there is a dearth of information on these hubs. I don't think you need to edit it down, it does the job perfectly as it is in my view, having recently dismantled one of these.
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Thanks for the feedback. Glad to know it was useful.
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Originally Posted by gster
Hey! That's the bike!
More good detective work.
The frame has the same pump mounts.
"Inserted cup head races...."
Interesting to think of how many hands it's past through in the past 65 years...
And how it came to have a 1961 SA hub and a Dynohub up front.
The guy I got it from had just bought it a couple of weeks before.
He had too many bikes and wasn't going to bother with it.
A prime candidate for a Semi Scorcher!
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Besides the early date, the exciting thing is that this wasn't originally a roadster. It came in club trim. 1 1/4" rims, celluloid mudguards and drop bars. Although "all rounders" were listed as an option. The catalog even mentions that arrow ornament on the fork. Nice find!
A while ago, my wife brought home a very neglected early 50s stepthrough from a friends house that was left outside for some period of time. Lots of salvagable parts though. No trace of a brand, but it is in the Birmingham style. It might have BB and headset parts that would be helpful to you. Let me know if you run into any trouble. Just one more possible option.
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Originally Posted by clubman
BSA should have bog standard BSC/ISO threads. If the Cup is a BW, I've got one for you and maybe the spindle too if you measure the length and offset. Shipping costs.
Spindle @ 5 1/4"
offset?
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Originally Posted by gster
Spindle @ 5 1/4"
offset?
The drive side will often have more length from bearing surface to end than the other. This spindle is < 5" but I'll dig in the stash on the weekend.
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Originally Posted by noglider
I can only guess that they realized 26" made more sense as it would fit more people. I think on average, the English are tall, taller than Americans.

28" doesn't make much sense for Japan or India where those bikes are also common. Except that it's a long-held standard. I honestly don't know how they fit on those bikes.
It is the same reasoning for 29r wheels on MTBs. They roll over everything easily. Not a problem being tall the 635 Erto wheels are all on step-thru frames and they are only 5mm taller than 630/27 in wheels used most other places.

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Originally Posted by BigChief
Besides the early date, the exciting thing is that this wasn't originally a roadster. It came in club trim. 1 1/4" rims, celluloid mudguards and drop bars. Although "all rounders" were listed as an option. The catalog even mentions that arrow ornament on the fork. Nice find!
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Yes, those arrow details are quite nice.
No sign of a pulley every being fitted to the seat tube but it does
have an odd (non Raleigh) cable stop
on the swing arm.
Frame 1953
S/A hub 1961
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Originally Posted by clubman
The drive side will often have more length from bearing surface to end than the other. This spindle is < 5" but I'll dig in the stash on the weekend.
Will check the offset.
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I might have something here!! No use at all for this. Maybe we'll be lucky. It's a 5 1/4" spindle marked R.F.G "S".
I'm measuring from the outer edge of the bearing surface.

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Originally Posted by BigChief
I might have something here!! No use at all for this. Maybe we'll be lucky. It's a 5 1/4" spindle marked R.F.G "S".
I'm measuring from the outer edge of the bearing surface.

I've got to go out for a bit but will check on return.
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oops. I checked with the vernier. Should have measured with that in the first place.
revised measurements.

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Tall English?

Originally Posted by noglider
I can only guess that they realized 26" made more sense as it would fit more people. I think on average, the English are tall, taller than Americans.

28" doesn't make much sense for Japan or India where those bikes are also common. Except that it's a long-held standard. I honestly don't know how they fit on those bikes.
Nope. The opposite was the reality - especially BITD Even as late as the 1940s the average British soldier was rarely over 5 ' 8".
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A visit today to my friend George (Parts Unknown) has yielded some good items.

A vintage pump
A decent rear caliper
North road bars and stem in excellent condition
An adjustable cup (almost new) that fits
and a fixed cup
All for the bargain price of $20.00!!!
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Yup, Sports bikes had steeper angles, shorter wheelbases, smaller wheels in order to have a 'Sportier' ride. A little more nimble and quick but not in the same league as the higher end club bikes. Pretty close though.

Gotta hand it to George. He's in it for the love of bikes, certainly not the huge profits.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
oops. I checked with the vernier. Should have measured with that in the first place.
revised measurements.

I had to look up vernier....
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Originally Posted by gster
I had to look up vernier....
I converted it back to fractions because I'm figuring you'll be using a ruler. You have some wiggle room on the drive side dimension since you have the dished cog and those two shims to adjust the chain line. Sure hope this one works for you. It's new and yours is looking a bit rough.
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