Columbus query
03-05-10 | 02:53 PM
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well, I suppose we need to know what Koga Miyata means by "built". This is a snippet from their literature:
Hand bikes built by Koga Miyata - look for yourself at what they say... since the beginning of 74' every Koga Miyata bicycle has been developed and built in our head quarters in Heerenveen, Netherlands.
A demanding process whereby every bicycle is assembled by hand from start to finish by a bike builder. This is a logical choice for Koga Miyata bikes which is derived straight from our philosophy about bicycle quality. What does that look like then...?
Look at it yourself via a panorama presentation of our cycle company or look at our original image film 'Perfection'.
More on Koga-Miyata hand crafted Road Race bikes, Touring bikes and Metro bicycles - what they say: All our bicycles are hand crafted in Holland for people who like to ride and demand real bicycle quality.
"All Glory Comes From Daring To Begin"
Company history: Back in 74 Andries Gaastra started Koga bikes to market the finest racing frames available. Owned by Accell since 98, Koga and our employees have remained true to the founder's insistence on quality above all. Koga quality is guaranteed by our unique production philosophy: To this day there are no assembly lines at Koga. All framesets are hand-built and each cycle is assembled - start to finish by a certified technician.
I guess it is just clever semantics. I couldn't understand the relationship between the two companies if Miyata didn't put the frames together...A demanding process whereby every bicycle is assembled by hand from start to finish by a bike builder. This is a logical choice for Koga Miyata bikes which is derived straight from our philosophy about bicycle quality. What does that look like then...?
Look at it yourself via a panorama presentation of our cycle company or look at our original image film 'Perfection'.
More on Koga-Miyata hand crafted Road Race bikes, Touring bikes and Metro bicycles - what they say: All our bicycles are hand crafted in Holland for people who like to ride and demand real bicycle quality.
"All Glory Comes From Daring To Begin"
Company history: Back in 74 Andries Gaastra started Koga bikes to market the finest racing frames available. Owned by Accell since 98, Koga and our employees have remained true to the founder's insistence on quality above all. Koga quality is guaranteed by our unique production philosophy: To this day there are no assembly lines at Koga. All framesets are hand-built and each cycle is assembled - start to finish by a certified technician.
it does seem a little odd how many references are made to the "Dutchness" of the bikes, when so many have Miyata headbadges and decals right on there. It seems that their current offerings (and maybe dating back to *when* in the past?) are made in Holland (or perhaps Holland and Taiwan, too?) but I found this quote on the old internets regarding a 1994 catalog:
"Miyata Factory is only one and is located in Japan(Chigasaki) they sell frames and parts to Netherland and they assamble them.
Regards,
Hernan P.Burgos(NANOBURGOS)"
(The misspellings are his)
So, yeah...clear as mud...
03-05-10 | 04:10 PM
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Not hijacked, exactly. We're still talking about familyguy's frame, sorta. It takes a leap of faith to assume that it is a Koga-Miyata fer sure...but if it were then the material that it was made from is, um, germane to the discussion.
03-05-10 | 10:17 PM
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Hijack away. I had a Koga Miyata Gentsracer S that was my first real road bike in my teens, 600 Arabesque gear, Mavic wheels, and very nice it was too.
I reckon I've got enough to bet Aelle on this one. Thanks for the input everyone.
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I reckon I've got enough to bet Aelle on this one. Thanks for the input everyone.
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03-23-10 | 02:26 PM
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So Aelle straight gauge, then? If the tubing is Columbus, that seems about right. Some very nice frames were built with Aelle. Since we're on the subject, here's something that came to mind. If my Cilo was built with Aelle (factory gold transfer, long "A") and Gipiemme dropouts/ends, I assume around 1984 going by the Shimano 600 6207 group, fastback stays and the semi sloping fork crown, but it takes a 26.2 post, would it be the butted version of Aelle then, evidenced by the thicker seat tube top section? I have heard those tubesets came with a red background to the Columbus transfer. Here's a pic:Attachment 140292
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03-29-10 | 06:39 AM
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Awesome! I'd love to see some pics when you have a chance. You don't see the blue ones much. Mine came with Mavic MA40s (I assume stock since they have 600 hubs, but could have been relaced, who knows...). The saddle that came with it was a modern replacement (San Marco) and the post was a Kalloy (now Zeus). What kind of seatpost does yours have?
03-29-10 | 06:51 AM
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