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Dusty_Dog_01 09-14-13 06:13 PM

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There are a few decals on it, of course four of them just say Bianchi but there is the remnants of another decal that states " print 28t " which I can only conclude is supposed to say " Sprint 28t " Other than this, that is all that I can find! I want to say that it looks like a late 70's early 80's model but I am clueless! I have a pic if anyone is interested. Thanks!

Pars 09-23-13 05:11 PM

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Trying to get a better ID on my brother's Bianchi. He moved out of the country, and asked that I sell this for him (he is only keeping 1 bike).
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post14560795

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/a...7-06063627.jpg

A little more info on the frame:

1) Purchased from Alan Cline Classic Cycles in Paicines, California around 1996 (I attached the page from his brochure, which Craig still had)
2) Painted by Troy Courtney, Geneva, IL around 1997 (Courtney Custom Cycles)
3) Decals sourced from Ed Litton (doesn't mean they are the right ones for this frame)
4) Steerer does not have Columbus stampings or helical ridges
5) 27.2mm seat post

I'm guessing it is probably more or less the same as Callig's frame, but not sure if it was ever determined exactly what his is. I don't want to mislead a potential buyer, so any suggestions on how to advertise it would be appreciated. I also have scanned a print of a Bicycle Guide review of the Bianchi Trofeo, but it was too large to attach.
http://home.comcast.net/~youngc1/Bia... road test.pdf

Bianchigirll 09-23-13 08:03 PM

I think this will remain a mystery. Unless your brother can come up with some before pics we will never know. I would suspect it it one of the later '80s either Formula 2 or CroMor bikes. It could be an SL but I think they had different stay cap arrangements.

Pars 09-24-13 09:39 AM

Someone :innocent: PM'd me last night and said it was an '86 frame probably with Formula 1 tubing, Also to your earlier comment regarding the fork crown eagle logo, I saw this '85-'86 Trofeo on velospace, with the eagle crown pantograph, just like this bike.

http://velospace.org/node/14288

Formula 1 was some sort of SL/SP set? The PM mentioned that the higher end models with SL/SP would have had Campy drops, a brazed FD tab, some chrome on the stays (maybe just drive side chainstay), etc.

SpecTri 01-16-14 05:12 PM

Bianchi Axis???
 
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Hi all, new around these parts.

Looking to determine the year and oragin of my Bianchi. This was a frankenbike given to me by my mom's fiance to restore. Bike had Campy 9-speed Mirage rear derailleurs and levers, a 7-speed Shimano casette, Suntour triple front derailleur, and regular V-brakes insted of cantilevers. Bike is solid, but has a bit of surface rust around the brake cable housings and bottom bracet shell as he was a sweater, as well as a few paint chips here and there. Years worth of stuck on grime, grease, dust, and tape glue too. As you can see from the pictures, I work at a Specialized dealer, but don't know much about Bianchi serial numbers.

What I know...

-Celeste Bianchi Axis
-Grey/Silver Bianchi lettering with a blue stripe throught the lettering
-Sticker that says "Tange Cro-Mo" and "Double Butted Cromoly"

-Serial # is hard to tell due to some spot rust. Looks like H8N84615??? Looks like the first "8" isn't all the way stamped. Looks more like H.N84615 now...

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=359890http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=359891http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=359892

Second picture was just after stripping down to the frame, all greasy and grimey. Third picture is after a few hours of simple green, citrus degreaser, and tooth brushing. Time for oxcilic acid on the surface rust and frame saver on the inside.... :thumb:

Bianchigirll 01-16-14 05:38 PM

That is an '89 Axis and it came with Suntour XCD 6000 and DiaCompe brakes.

Bswallace1000 01-24-14 08:34 AM

I just picked up a Bianchi Alfana. It looks like early 1990's but I can't find an exact match. It has a complete 1055 group including hubs and with 7 speed sti shifters. So it seems the bike was sold new with the 105's. The sn is KS114668

Bianchigirll 01-25-14 09:20 PM

The standard kit for the Alfana (formerly the Brava) was 105 for a long time. What is the color and frame material?

Bswallace1000 01-26-14 11:44 PM

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jdogkillah 02-22-14 09:20 AM

I had to register just because of this thread, I've been trying to identify my Bianchi frame for a while. Seems to be a common problem... So, here's some pictures of my bike which was advertised as a Bianchi Rekord when I bought it. However, I have guestimated that it is a 1981 Bianchi Sprint instead. Here are the details: frame number 1CO729. Gipiemme fork ends and dropouts. No markings on the bottom bracket. All opinions are greatly appreciated.

3speedslow 03-17-14 07:22 AM

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Little help please SN I.6 8854 with Bianchi stamped on the BB shell. It is a black Campione d' Italia model with greenish Bianchi decals and purple line/slash through them. Drop outs front-Bianchi, rear-Gipiemme.

I'm looking for the year, frame came to me bare except the seatpost(gipiemme 27.2) and BB(unmarked) shell 70mm

Pics to help:http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=369285http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=369286http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=369287http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=369288http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=369289http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=369290 Thanks in advance ! PS assumed to be an 1988 but would like to if that is true.

3speedslow 03-17-14 01:23 PM

Well, it looks like I have an 89. If Bianchi girl says that there were no black CDI's in 88 but 89, I guess it's so.

Now to find out why 89-90 years are looked down on. Was it the frame or the components ?

rjhammett 03-17-14 06:42 PM

Your Axis must have been built the same day as the one I picked up yesterday for my wife. The serial number for her's is H8N84644 or just 29 bikes later than yours.


Originally Posted by SpecTri (Post 16417052)
Hi all, new around these parts.

Looking to determine the year and oragin of my Bianchi. This was a frankenbike given to me by my mom's fiance to restore. Bike had Campy 9-speed Mirage rear derailleurs and levers, a 7-speed Shimano casette, Suntour triple front derailleur, and regular V-brakes insted of cantilevers. Bike is solid, but has a bit of surface rust around the brake cable housings and bottom bracet shell as he was a sweater, as well as a few paint chips here and there. Years worth of stuck on grime, grease, dust, and tape glue too. As you can see from the pictures, I work at a Specialized dealer, but don't know much about Bianchi serial numbers.

What I know...

-Celeste Bianchi Axis
-Grey/Silver Bianchi lettering with a blue stripe throught the lettering
-Sticker that says "Tange Cro-Mo" and "Double Butted Cromoly"

-Serial # is hard to tell due to some spot rust. Looks like H8N84615??? Looks like the first "8" isn't all the way stamped. Looks more like H.N84615 now...

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=359890http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=359891http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=359892

Second picture was just after stripping down to the frame, all greasy and grimey. Third picture is after a few hours of simple green, citrus degreaser, and tooth brushing. Time for oxcilic acid on the surface rust and frame saver on the inside.... :thumb:


dlenmn 03-22-14 08:29 PM

Back in 2010, I made a thread about a repainted frame of unknown origin. The bike seemed to be Japanese, but the serial number (IS513786) didn't match the format of any Japanese manufactures I could find.

However, I now see that IS513786 is similar to the serial numbers of Japanese-made Bianchis.

There are pictures in the thread I linked to, but some distinguishing characteristic of the frame are pointed lugs on the front of the headtube, Shimano EF rear dropouts marked IJ -- meaning October '85, a chain hanger, a pump peg, and no eyelets on the dropouts.

Except for the fork (which might not be origional), the frame looks a lot like this '86 Brava. It has a similar pump peg, pointed headtube lugs, and eyelet-less dropouts. I can't see if it that frame a chain hanger or Shimano dropouts. Unfortunately, some things don't match up, like the cable stop near the derailer.

Unfortunately, I haven't found a complete '86 Bianchi catalog. I have found a complete '87 catalog, which notes that the '87 Brava uses Bianchi dropouts -- not Shimano dropouts. However, from reading earlier parts of this thread, it sounds like Brava manufacture bounced back and forth between Japan and Italy, so it could be that the '86 model was made in Japan while the '87 was made in Italy.

Do you think my frame could be a Bianchi, and if so, what model could it be? Has anyone seen an '86 Brava in the flesh?

Matteo_OPO 03-24-14 09:34 AM

Where from?
 
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Hello,
after a quick personal introduction, here is my first question:
I got this (resprayed) Bianchi here in Milan. Despite having already a couple of Bianchi, I got it because I was puzzled by some of its specifications and frame SN.
It has 27" rims, made in Belgium though (27" is an oddity for Italy: no way to find tires except for cheap taiwanese with horrible patterns..I had to get a pair of Pasela tires from Ebay USA for it!!), and it is all japanese equipped (another oddity for us): Dia compe brakes, Shimano front & rear derailleurs, Sugino cranks..
Bianchi is marked on the fork heads as well as on both seat-stays, so should be little doubt it is a Bianchi..
The frame number bears no letters and reads: 61 201896, with "61" being somehow less engraved; then there is a "WTA" which I really do not understand.
By browsing catalogues, it turned out that it might be a Bianchi intended for the foreign market, maybe the USA, so here I am asking you: to the best of what I could find out, it looks like a 1987 "Premio", but I'm not sure: what do you say?

Many thanks

Matteo

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370729http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370728http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370727http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370726http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370725

dallasdan 03-25-14 04:51 PM

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Hi y'all, I am trying to find out what I really have here - Age, type or model, value, etc....
I have 2 Bianchi Forza road bikes that are identical except one frame smaller than the other. Both mint green and white.

Serial Number H2C40135 23" frame, 25" wheels
Serial Number H2C29271 19.5" frame, 25" wheels

Stickered with:
Superset Bianchi exclusive.
Infinity CR-MO tapered double butted tubing TANGE
Made in Taiwan

Shimano Brakes, gears, etc

Pic of one of the bikes included here, Thanks!: http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370936

Bianchigirll 03-25-14 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 16585901)
Well, it looks like I have an 89. If Bianchi girl says that there were no black CDI's in 88 but 89, I guess it's so.

Now to find out why 89-90 years are looked down on. Was it the frame or the components ?

The Quattro group was not Ofmega/Modolo/Suntours best effort. IIRC we always seemed to have trouble keeping the shifting tuned and there were lots of complaints on the brakes. I believe there were finish (peeling) issues too. At the time between shipmano becoming the dominant player in the market and the exchange rate it was just becoming impossible to hold that $550ish price point with an "all Italian" bike.

Bianchigirll 03-25-14 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by dallasdan (Post 16610954)
Hi y'all, I am trying to find out what I really have here - Age, type or model, value, etc....
I have 2 Bianchi Forza road bikes that are identical except one frame smaller than the other. Both mint green and white.

Serial Number H2C40135 23" frame, 25" wheels 700c wheels and 700x25 tires
Serial Number H2C29271 19.5" frame, 25" wheels

Stickered with:
Superset Bianchi exclusive.
Infinity CR-MO tapered double butted tubing TANGE
Made in Taiwan

Shimano Brakes, gears, etc

Pic of one of the bikes included here, Thanks!: http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370936

They are '92s Bianchi "Forza" models in Nuovo Celeste / White pearl. they are nice basic recreational level bikes great for 30-50 mile sunday rides or some shorter weekday rides.

3speedslow 03-25-14 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 16611168)
The Quattro group was not Ofmega/Modolo/Suntours best effort. IIRC we always seemed to have trouble keeping the shifting tuned and there were lots of complaints on the brakes. I believe there were finish (peeling) issues too. At the time between shipmano becoming the dominant player in the market and the exchange rate it was just becoming impossible to hold that $550ish price point with an "all Italian" bike.

Bianchigirl,

I thank you for the clarification on this matter. In looking over this particular frame, I am quite happy with the build quality. As for the components, I will throw whatever Italian parts I have in my bins on it and see if it has any respectability on the open road. Being poor and unemployed at the moment, I am limited till I can do better by it.

Once again, Thank You !

felixgolightly 03-26-14 04:46 AM

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Picked up my new bike the other day (yeah!) and would love to know what it was originally.
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Bianchigirrl offered a few comments on likely value (thanks) but I'd really like to know what year / model it started life as, if possible. Photos are attached with some other clues:
Frame number looks like i've got '8.C 1772'.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=371042

Gippieme rear dropouts.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=371049

remnants of a 'made in italy' decal at bottom of seat tube.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=371048

Found this (View Single Frame) on velobase which looks pretty identical - and that's listed as 1988 (model unknown), but its SLX and mine is badged SL.

Also this (Steel Vintage Bikes - Bianchi Specialissima Classic Bicycle with Cobalto 1986) which is again very close, listed as either 86 or 87.

The main difference between those and mine, as far as I can tell, is that 'Bianchi' on the stay caps are block lettering, mine is scripted.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=371043

Parts are such a mismatch I don't think they'll offer any clues, but for what its worth they are:
Dura Ace hubs (FH7403?) and brake levers (M-140 / MA-100?)
Ultegra tricolour Brakes, shifters and RD
Shimano 105 crank and fd
SR seat post and stem
Cosmos mod confort bars



Fred Smedley 03-26-14 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Pars (Post 16096781)
Trying to get a better ID on my brother's Bianchi. He moved out of the country, and asked that I sell this for him (he is only keeping 1 bike).
Bianchi Serial Number Identification

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/a...7-06063627.jpg

A little more info on the frame:

1) Purchased from Alan Cline Classic Cycles in Paicines, California around 1996 (I attached the page from his brochure, which Craig still had)
2) Painted by Troy Courtney, Geneva, IL around 1997 (Courtney Custom Cycles)
3) Decals sourced from Ed Litton (doesn't mean they are the right ones for this frame)
4) Steerer does not have Columbus stampings or helical ridges
5) 27.2mm seat post

I'm guessing it is probably more or less the same as Callig's frame, but not sure if it was ever determined exactly what his is. I don't want to mislead a potential buyer, so any suggestions on how to advertise it would be appreciated. I also have scanned a print of a Bicycle Guide review of the Bianchi Trofeo, but it was too large to attach.
http://home.comcast.net/~youngc1/Bia... road test.pdf

That frame is identical to my daughters Italian built limited including Serial placement and format. Formula 2 frame, Formula fork decals, 27.2 SPD. Hers is purple.

dallasdan 03-26-14 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 16611213)
They are '92s Bianchi "Forza" models in Nuovo Celeste / White pearl. they are nice basic recreational level bikes great for 30-50 mile sunday rides or some shorter weekday rides.

Thanks Bianchigirl! I've looked on-line and haven't found any like these for sale. If I was going to sell them, do you have any feel for the value? Tuned up prior to moving them to storage including new tires. Thanks!

Matteo_OPO 03-29-14 09:54 AM

Hello,
no clues anyone?[
Tx!

QUOTE=Matteo_OPO;16606125]Hello,
after a quick personal introduction, here is my first question:
I got this (resprayed) Bianchi here in Milan. Despite having already a couple of Bianchi, I got it because I was puzzled by some of its specifications and frame SN.
It has 27" rims, made in Belgium though (27" is an oddity for Italy: no way to find tires except for cheap taiwanese with horrible patterns..I had to get a pair of Pasela tires from Ebay USA for it!!), and it is all japanese equipped (another oddity for us): Dia compe brakes, Shimano front & rear derailleurs, Sugino cranks..
Bianchi is marked on the fork heads as well as on both seat-stays, so should be little doubt it is a Bianchi..
The frame number bears no letters and reads: 61 201896, with "61" being somehow less engraved; then there is a "WTA" which I really do not understand.
By browsing catalogues, it turned out that it might be a Bianchi intended for the foreign market, maybe the USA, so here I am asking you: to the best of what I could find out, it looks like a 1987 "Premio", but I'm not sure: what do you say?

Many thanks

Matteo

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370729http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370728http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370727http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370726http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370725[/QUOTE]

realityocean 04-02-14 12:01 PM

i purchased my secondhand bianchi 625 roughly 4 years ago, in the west of france. it is marked as made in the eec, as the eec change it's name in 1993 i think it safe to assume the bike is over 20 years old.
wheels are european and obsolete 'fir' deep rims. mostly shod with campag avanti components i think some later mirage bits were retro fitted, ergo shifters included.
the bars are etched with the bianchi logo and the stem is bianchi marked, the colour is an unblemished celeste, she looks brand new even if she does creek a little when ridden. the only missing part is the rear pump lug from under the crossbar.
i am potty about this bike despite my assumption that when new it was an entry level piece of kit.
i would love to know exactly how old my baby is, the sn's are 495 & A591303 both numbers are located under the bb.
Can anyone shed some light.
cheers
rob
oh forgot to say, the bike only cost €65 + new tyres

Bianchigirll 04-02-14 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by realityocean (Post 16635351)
i purchased my secondhand bianchi 625 roughly 4 years ago, in the west of france. it is marked as made in the eec, as the eec change it's name in 1993 i think it safe to assume the bike is over 20 years old.
wheels are european and obsolete 'fir' deep rims. mostly shod with campag avanti components i think some later mirage bits were retro fitted, ergo shifters included.
the bars are etched with the bianchi logo and the stem is bianchi marked, the colour is an unblemished celeste, she looks brand new even if she does creek a little when ridden. the only missing part is the rear pump lug from under the crossbar.
i am potty about this bike despite my assumption that when new it was an entry level piece of kit.
i would love to know exactly how old my baby is, the sn's are 495 & A591303 both numbers are located under the bb.
Can anyone shed some light.
cheers
rob
oh forgot to say, the bike only cost €65 + new tyres


Pics would help a great deal but European market bikes are different from ours, so maybe approximate year is all we can do. I'll have to check but I am pretty sure Avanti is a mid '90s group along with Mirage so those parts are likely replacements as Noglider points out. 'Deep' or aero rims came along in the mid '80s I believe so it is possible the wheels are replacements too.


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