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Old 02-10-12 | 07:15 PM
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Congrats!

One for the ages.

I need new wallpaper, any side profile shots imminent?
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Old 02-11-12 | 12:18 AM
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I looked up the decal set that is on the bike and it is from the 70's. That's as close as it came. The front brake looks like a normal (aka long reach) which was available in the 70's and some 80's. The fork crown may be the clue to getting a better age.

This link may be useful. De Rosa Timeline Pre-1979/80
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Old 02-11-12 | 06:34 AM
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Bikes: 69' Colnago, 74' DeRosa, 75' Masi Gran Criterium, 83' Tomas, 85' Daccordi Turbo, 90' Eddy Merckx 7/11, 92' Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, 92' Basso Astra,

Thank you for the link Ecrevisse, but I think I found already everything available about a derosa timeline on the net.

As for the campagnolo components that are build on it, they don`t help me much to find out the year of production of the frame.
The original owner told me that he bought the bike in 1972. I wouldn`t be surprised if it was a 2,3 years later. He was a rider, so with the time he upgraded the components to newer ones.

Gomango, as soon as I have finished the bike profile shots will follow. I first want to finish the bike. I am missing the chain, need to put gear cables and the right Wheelset.
If anyone could help me with finding period correct pantographed stem, Seatstay, brakelevers and Chainring that would be great. But I guess it is almost impossible to find some from the correct period which are also in mint condition.
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Old 02-11-12 | 10:17 PM
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I have a Cinelli 1R De Rosa stem, 130mm.
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Old 02-12-12 | 11:07 AM
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Bikes: 69' Colnago, 74' DeRosa, 75' Masi Gran Criterium, 83' Tomas, 85' Daccordi Turbo, 90' Eddy Merckx 7/11, 92' Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, 92' Basso Astra,

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Old 02-12-12 | 05:54 PM
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I looked up the decal set that is on the bike and it is from the 70's. That's as close as it came. The front brake looks like a normal (aka long reach) which was available in the 70's and some 80's. The fork crown may be the clue to getting a better age.

This link may be useful. De Rosa Timeline Pre-1979/80
The front brake has a "domed" quick-release lever, and is therefore definitely '78 or later.
We're all over the age of this bike/frame - it's an old thread.
I was in communication with Hilary when he was developing his timeline, which is not set in stone ...
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Old 02-13-12 | 02:25 PM
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Does anyone know what year De Rosa went to all-chrome forks? In general, it seems like about 1980 is when that (cost-saving) fad started (on Italian road bikes in particular).
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Old 04-18-12 | 01:14 PM
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Bikes: 69' Colnago, 74' DeRosa, 75' Masi Gran Criterium, 83' Tomas, 85' Daccordi Turbo, 90' Eddy Merckx 7/11, 92' Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, 92' Basso Astra,

Today I got an other DeRosa. I bought it from a former belgium racer called Stouvenaker. He rode a lot at the times to no wonder the bike got repainted with the years and components replaced by other.

From what I can see if I compare it with these (https://www.43bikes.com/derosa.html) bikes it should be from around 1972. He only could tell me that he bought it in the early 70`s but didn`t remember the exact year.
What do you thing, could that be? It has the 6 cut outs under the BB and heart cutouts everywhere. Fork also looks like the early ones without the heart in the crown.

The interesting thing is that the bike already has cablerouting on the toptube. That is very rare for that period on a DeRosa, or not?
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Old 04-18-12 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by maym036
The interesting thing is that the bike already has cablerouting on the toptube. That is very rare for that period on a DeRosa, or not?
What do you say?
Perhaps he had the braze-ons for the cable routing added on when the bike was re-painted?

That is a beauty.
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Old 04-18-12 | 04:01 PM
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Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC

Flat top fork crown, above the BB derailleur cable guides, exposed brake caliper mounting nuts, single water bottle mount(?) long horizontal slot rear dropouts(?), non brazed on top tube cable guides(?).....will point it towards an early to mid 70's era bike. I think most of the things I mentioned apply to this bike.

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Another great De Rosa. De Rosa's fit me well and I like the way they ride.
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Old 04-18-12 | 09:47 PM
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Great bike! I have over the past several months become intrigued by the history in these bikes.
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Old 04-19-12 | 07:08 AM
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Bikes: 69' Colnago, 74' DeRosa, 75' Masi Gran Criterium, 83' Tomas, 85' Daccordi Turbo, 90' Eddy Merckx 7/11, 92' Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, 92' Basso Astra,

I just noticed that the Seatstay Cap Engraving has no heart in the O of De Rosa. This makes it defenatly a frame of the first version, no?
Too bad this frame is too small for me. I love my other DeRosa and wouldn`t mind having an other, even older one.
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Old 04-19-12 | 07:28 AM
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Bikes: 69' Colnago, 74' DeRosa, 75' Masi Gran Criterium, 83' Tomas, 85' Daccordi Turbo, 90' Eddy Merckx 7/11, 92' Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, 92' Basso Astra,

@Jet sancHez: Just was on the phone with the original owner. He confirmed me that the cableguides were like that from the beginning on.
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Old 04-19-12 | 11:16 AM
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The braze-on cable guides could have been a special deal, but De Rosa started doing them circa 1975, so it could also be gthat the bike is just a bit later than '72. remember that De Rosa was building lots of one-offs and pro bikes at the time, so there aren't "standard" features in the same way as with other marques. Those aren't the standard Campagnolo braze-on guides you start to see in the mid-70's, so think it's plausible they were a custom touch.
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Old 04-19-12 | 02:32 PM
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Looks like you're trying to hit a home run!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DeRosa-Frame...item19d00d2678
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Looks like you're trying to hit a home run!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DeRosa-Frame...item19d00d2678

I noticed as well.
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Old 04-19-12 | 03:46 PM
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Yeah, that price isn't going to happen ...
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special
Yeah, that price isn't going to happen ...
25% of that maybe. There have been other early DeRosas on eBay in the last year or so, I also "look ever yday" as well.

It's an interesting bike but it's without original paint and decals. I hope you get your asking price but I don't see it happening.


also, what's up with the hole in the bottom of the TT to ST lug?


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Old 04-19-12 | 03:56 PM
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Yeah, that price isn't going to happen ...
We are at the shop discussing this right now.

We are comparing it to a 1977 De Rosa a fellow brought in from the blue last week.

I may eventually help him post it around for grins.

Folks, lets just say there are some incredible examples out there still, so I really don't feel compelled to take many reaches.
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Old 04-19-12 | 04:12 PM
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There was a complete bike in original paint circa '73 or so that went for under 3 grand within this past year, if I remember correctly. Or if it went for more than that, it wasn't much more. I should have bought it. They do appear from time to time - and several nice ones with pressed lugs have gone relatively inexpensively in recent history.
I had a stunning '77 that I sold. Sniff. And for only a bit over 2K.
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Originally Posted by cpsqlrwn
Looks like you're trying to hit a home run!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DeRosa-Frame...item19d00d2678
I look on eBay / CL every day just trying to learn more about the original-type De Rosa bikes but there just isn't much happening..they are very few and far between it seems.

This one looks very nice, but may be overpriced. I paid quite a bit less for mine with original paint / decals and mostly original componentry (Campy NR/SR, 3ttt, down to the Selle Royal CX saddle..). It's a 1977 or 1978, though..and very similar to the bike Picchio Special had with the fluted seat stay caps - even more rare I believe.

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Yup, early ones are very hard to find and, as such, expensive. I hope you are able to sell it maym, it will make my De Rosas that much more valuable
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There was a complete bike in original paint circa '73 or so that went for under 3 grand within this past year, if I remember correctly. Or if it went for more than that, it wasn't much more. I should have bought it. They do appear from time to time - and several nice ones with pressed lugs have gone relatively inexpensively in recent history.
I had a stunning '77 that I sold. Sniff. And for only a bit over 2K.
Your 1977 was an amazing example from the pics I saw.

Out of this world, if I am remembering the correct bicycle.

Feel free to post a pic. We won't mind.
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Old 04-19-12 | 05:26 PM
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Your 1977 was an amazing example from the pics I saw.

Out of this world, if I am remembering the correct bicycle.

Feel free to post a pic. We won't mind.
I'll have to dig the pics out. They're on another computer. I'm more upbeat about the Colnago I just bought, which I may post pics of instead in their own thread, since I still own that one. That De Rosa was sa-weet, though ... just not able to be a museum curator any more, or I'd still have it. Rode great, too ...
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