Now now, just because the Fiat 500s sold in the USA are assembled in Mexico, in the old PT Cruiser plant.

What do you think it would cost to get a modern framebuilder to braze up a frame like that? It's steel! Look at that BB area! Stunning craftsmanship.

Hipsters, Really? I love how when a person spends a lot of money on something, everybody here who would not spend that kind of money on the same assumes the person is a dolt and is going to use said purchase in some idiotic way. Maybe that person is smarter than you, afterall they have a lot of money to spend, which means they were smart enough to earn it or smart enough to be born with it.

Honestly when it comes to collecting you cannot always quantify what a "lot" of money is, when it's spent on a piece that does not come up for sale often enough to track prices, or is in the kind of condition you may never see again. Not everybody is a collector, I'm not, but I understand the passion and drive that serious ones have. And it's not always the well heeled. I've seen guys who live like paupers but will spend thousands on a 1920's blues 78. It's just priorities (their own).

I personally might not agree with what some collectors spend, but I respect their right to spend their money, and would never piss on their parade when they do.

Suppposedly it was a lot of bondo in the originals. But I'm sure there are builders out there today who could do it in steel. Might cost a lot to do it though

It comes down to basic supply and demand...

Supply-How many original Cinelli Laser funny-bikes can there be in the world that are this original, this nice, decked-out with all the Cinelli peripheral accessories, and have their entire history (even if it's w/out provenance) this well documented? I bet you could count the number on one hand if even that was needed.

Demand-The Laser was the pinnacle of the Cinelli product line in the 1980s. The Laser represented everything that the organization stood for at that point-innovation and style. The bikes have been recognized as modern works of art and may be one of the most recognizable high-end bikes from that era. It was the 288 GTO of the bike world. As a result, there are many that view the Laser as THE bike to have-the crown of their collection.

Would I have paid $16K for this bike? If I was in love with the Lasers, absolutely! However, the amount of bondo used in the bikes has always been a turn-off for me. Otherwise, I may have had to empty out the bike/hobby car/motorcycle fund.

Now that Olmo that he has for sale. Hmmmm...

Texbike

Ah, those cheaters!

I would be pretty nervous selling a 16K bike to a 0 feedback buyer ....

Are you kidding? It's a brilliant investment. Take a look at the stock market. Banks have recently started charging negative interest rates to their bigger customers.

There are many, many worse places to invest your money at the moment...

Makes most of my purchases over the past number of years look like absolute bargains

Not that there weren't a few bona-fide bargains.

Rare = big coin. They've always had a following and always will.

DD

you could buy a lot of bikes for 16k,


i posted this ad before in the "are you looking for one of these" topic, at least if you bought this, you'd have more than 1 bike to ride for 16k.

here it is again:

Dave Pogson Bicycle Collection - $16000 (Mississauga)

Date: 2011-07-12, 10:13AM EDT
Reply to: sale-ypwgu-2490008394@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

In the memory of Dave Pogson, his entire bicycle collection as of today has been made available for sale. Dave's hobby has spanned many decades as his collection will attest too. We are pleased that this entire lot of complete bicycles, bike frames/forks, wheels and wheel sets along with a wide variety of high end components are being sold as one. This collection will not be separated and sold off in pieces. We have had a few bike shop owners from around town come in and assess everything to the value of #35,000.00. We have set a sale price of $16,000 without exceptions !

Complete Bicycles.
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1/ 54cm Team Raleigh (571) with 8speed Dura Ace
2/ 54cm Giordana (slx) with 8speed Dura Ace
3/ 59cm Tomasini (spx)with 6speed Camaganolo C Record

Bike Frames
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1/ 57cm Concorde (tsx) with cinelli bottom bracket
2/ 56cm Colnago super (sl) red
3/ 59cm Colnago (sl)
4/ 56cm Davis Rhinney(sl)

Crank Sets with Chain Rings
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Campag Chorus 170mm
Campag chorus 172.5
Campag Super record 170mm
Campag super record 172.5 (2)
Campag athena 170mm
Gipiemme sprint 170mm
Campag mirage 172.5
Sugino mighty 170mm (2)
Sugino 3500 170mm
Ultegra 170mm
600 172.5mm
Dura ace 170mm (4)
Sache 170mm

Pedals
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Campag C Record pr (7pr)
Campag clipless (4)
Miche, shimano 600, Zeus, Gipiemme, Raleigh, KKT, Clipless (4)

Brake Calipers
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Campag Athena (5pr)
Campag Veloce dual
Campag Gran Sport (4)
Campag Chorus dual
Gipiemme sprint
Gipiemme Blk
600 (4)
Universal

Wheels and Wheel sets
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25 clinchers with hubs front/back
13 tubulars with hubs front/back

Campag C Record threaded, Nuovo/Super Record wide assortment of rims including Mavic, Campag & Wolber

Free wheels (loose)
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7sp dura ace
6speed regina
9speed ultegra
9sp 105
6sp dura ace
2 suntour
2 maillard
1 regina extra
1 sache, others are insltalled on built wheels.

This list only represent a small portion what Mr Pogson was able to first locate, then collect that met his fine discriminating taste for this hobby. This add will be posted as long as this collection is available for sale.

Viewing of this fine collection will be by appiontment only.





In honour of Dave Pogson, may his memory be our comfort ...

What's cycle-speak for overkill?

I also agree that 16K is ridiculous. It's mostly based on speculation by the buyer; he/she is expecting (praying?) the value of the bike to go up. There's no historical value in the bike and it's more of a nice design experiment than anything. But if you have money, a sense of reasonableness diminishes.

Did anybody see the guys other listing.
https://cgi.ebay.com/OLMO-COMPETITION...item19c7b29e26
Good thing it doesn't fit me, I've been killing my bank account lately.

I don't think the late owner of the collection would have placed the same value on it. But maybe they are leaving out a bunch of stuff and don't know what is marketable.

Does make me think that I should write a few notes on mine just in case.

Very well put to which I 100% agree.

Still, no one has said what one does with a bike like this.

You hang it on a wall and enjoy owning it.

oh man that look 496 posted earlier is hilarious! the kid riding it in the picture is a little chubster! not that there's anything wrong with being a little out of shape but I would be thoroughly embarrassed riding a bike as expensive as that with no muscle definition whatsoever. he probably averages <15 mph.

Really?

strip everything off, saw off the brazons and de-railleur hanger and turn it into a fixie.


**Reaction from C&V:

****GASPSSS, "oh no he didn't just say that!!"

My reaction, too. The only thing that has diminished is the sting of paying so much. What would have been unthinkable to spend when I was in my 20's isn't now that I'm well into my 40's.

I asked Cinelli a few years ago if they would build a "new" Laser frame for me. They said that it could be discussed but that it wouldn't be cheap. There is now talk that Cinelli will be presenting a new Laser at Eurobike... It would therefore appear that this sold just on time to increase teh value of the new production...

Haven't we all?

I wonder if there is any coincidence to what is featured on the "enter" page of the Cinelli website: https://www.cinelli.it/

Wow what a beaut!

There was a moser bike that sold for 9k just within the month on eBay. So this isn't the only hardcore collector out there. Must be nice having money to burn.

also anyone want to trade my? maybe part of my liver or a kidney for the olmo? give you a bargain, a lung for the saddle.