Why would you do this to a Paramount ?
06-26-12 | 08:36 AM
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Other than the rear brake caliper cable entry, I can't see a single thing wrong with it.
I'll bet it's a lot more enjoyable to ride with the R365's than Weinmann centerpulls too.
-Kurt
I'll bet it's a lot more enjoyable to ride with the R365's than Weinmann centerpulls too.
-Kurt
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06-26-12 | 08:40 AM
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If not for the moms who threw away those baseball cards, the folks who altered the "common" commercial products of their time, and the many other examples that were just used as intended and eventually used up, there would not be many "rare" types of anything except for those limited-edition/limited-run specialized examples that were collector's pieces from the start.
We are talking about a commercially available mass-produced consumer-grade bicycle here -not a hand-built race bike or custom show-stopper bike built by a famous builder to spec for a well-heeled buyer. This is not a high sin of destroying an irreplaceable masterpiece that belongs in a museum.
In the end it's just frakkin' stamped-out mass-produced Schwinn for chissake!
We are talking about a commercially available mass-produced consumer-grade bicycle here -not a hand-built race bike or custom show-stopper bike built by a famous builder to spec for a well-heeled buyer. This is not a high sin of destroying an irreplaceable masterpiece that belongs in a museum.
In the end it's just frakkin' stamped-out mass-produced Schwinn for chissake!
06-26-12 | 08:42 AM
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Many people have more money than time.
Many people have more bikes than time to ride them.
Many people LOVE to work on bikes. Personally, I find wrenching on bikes every bit as enjoyable as riding them.
There is nothing like the thrill of spec-ing out a new build and dreaming and ordering parts. Doing the research on what goes well with what other components and using your artistic image of what it should all look like when it is put together.
The fact that the final product was not ridden much does not in any way mean that it isn't a good bike. There are many reasons why someone doesn't ride a bike. Perhaps they want a super-clean museum-quality bike to display in their home. Perhaps they are putting serious miles training on a different-purpose bike. Maybe money/job/family commitments changed between the time the bike was conceived and started and when it was finally put together.
In an earlier thread discussing "should I do X for cosmetic reasons" I said that the OP should do what they like -because no matter how HARD someone tries to please other people there will always be SOMEBODY who isn't happy with what you have done for a variety of reasons. Screw them. Do your own thing, ride your own ride, be yourself. If others don't like it then it is their problem.
Many people have more bikes than time to ride them.
Many people LOVE to work on bikes. Personally, I find wrenching on bikes every bit as enjoyable as riding them.
There is nothing like the thrill of spec-ing out a new build and dreaming and ordering parts. Doing the research on what goes well with what other components and using your artistic image of what it should all look like when it is put together.
The fact that the final product was not ridden much does not in any way mean that it isn't a good bike. There are many reasons why someone doesn't ride a bike. Perhaps they want a super-clean museum-quality bike to display in their home. Perhaps they are putting serious miles training on a different-purpose bike. Maybe money/job/family commitments changed between the time the bike was conceived and started and when it was finally put together.
In an earlier thread discussing "should I do X for cosmetic reasons" I said that the OP should do what they like -because no matter how HARD someone tries to please other people there will always be SOMEBODY who isn't happy with what you have done for a variety of reasons. Screw them. Do your own thing, ride your own ride, be yourself. If others don't like it then it is their problem.
This is one advantage to keeping the bike original, it provides a valid excuse for any criticism about the bike. You always have the retort "That's original." If someone doesn't like the color, saddle choice, cable colors, component selection it's not a personal affront, it's the way the bike came from the factory.
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06-26-12 | 08:49 AM
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If it's more functional as is, what's the big deal? I think he went over the top putting the word Rivendell in every other sentence, but other than that, looks like it'd fit me and would be something I'd probably like to ride. I might have respaced the rear triangle to 130 mm, but then I'd have to worry about someone here hunting me down. Fortunately, I don't have the cash to buy this.
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06-26-12 | 08:52 AM
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06-26-12 | 08:56 AM
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Good points, but I'd like to expand on the highlighted text as it applies to original/restored bikes.
This is one advantage to keeping the bike original, it provides a valid excuse for any criticism about the bike. You always have the retort "That's original." If someone doesn't like the color, saddle choice, cable colors, component selection it's not a personal affront, it's the way the bike came from the factory.
This is one advantage to keeping the bike original, it provides a valid excuse for any criticism about the bike. You always have the retort "That's original." If someone doesn't like the color, saddle choice, cable colors, component selection it's not a personal affront, it's the way the bike came from the factory.
06-26-12 | 09:06 AM
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(All the air in my tires now smells like Lotus blossoms).
06-26-12 | 09:29 AM
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No grinder, no drill, kept the original parts = no problem.
Now as a financial transaction, that owner dumped what to me would be a lot of money into that Paramount, rode it for 25 miles, and is going to lose most of that $$. But I have had projects that just did not work out. Myself, I would be returning it to original state, putting the new parts in a bin (or sell them separately).
Now as a financial transaction, that owner dumped what to me would be a lot of money into that Paramount, rode it for 25 miles, and is going to lose most of that $$. But I have had projects that just did not work out. Myself, I would be returning it to original state, putting the new parts in a bin (or sell them separately).
06-26-12 | 09:32 AM
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Real vintage guys use dry nitrogen for purposes of preservation
of the vintage tires/tubes. I thought everyone knew this ??
It came up in that OCD wheel thread in the mechanics forum
a while back..............
06-26-12 | 09:39 AM
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The only problem I see is that he had a bike he kinda liked but thought he'd like it more if he made certain changes, and in the end he didn't like it that much more after the changes. It has happened before, and it will happen again. It has happened to me, but it's not a mistake I'll make again (famous last words!).
06-26-12 | 09:50 AM
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We were discussing the "Rivendell Koolaid Conspiracy" over at the Bike Kitchen
( a couple of us) in a slow moment last week.
See, here's my take on Petersen and Rivendell. On the one hand, you talk
a blue streak about function and just getting out and riding, and it's all
about the experience. At the same time, you grab the American consumer
by his wallet in terms of what you sell as a product line, using the ideas
of simplicity and function to convince people to part with their cash.
I cannot come up with another explanation. It's brilliant as a marketing
strategy, I think. I also think that this is exactly the reason this guy
dropped 3200 bucks into a chrome plated Rivendell replica.
This frame, like many of its brethren, is designed with a certain rider
positioning and weight balance in mind in order to take advantage of
its characteristics. All that is lost in the current state.
It reminds me of what we call "tweaker bikes" here..(bikes that have been
stolen and are now held captive by meth users.) They all get modified
with fat seats and upright handlebars right out of the gate. I've ended
up with a couple that somehow found their way as donations to the coop.
( a couple of us) in a slow moment last week.
See, here's my take on Petersen and Rivendell. On the one hand, you talk
a blue streak about function and just getting out and riding, and it's all
about the experience. At the same time, you grab the American consumer
by his wallet in terms of what you sell as a product line, using the ideas
of simplicity and function to convince people to part with their cash.
I cannot come up with another explanation. It's brilliant as a marketing
strategy, I think. I also think that this is exactly the reason this guy
dropped 3200 bucks into a chrome plated Rivendell replica.
This frame, like many of its brethren, is designed with a certain rider
positioning and weight balance in mind in order to take advantage of
its characteristics. All that is lost in the current state.
It reminds me of what we call "tweaker bikes" here..(bikes that have been
stolen and are now held captive by meth users.) They all get modified
with fat seats and upright handlebars right out of the gate. I've ended
up with a couple that somehow found their way as donations to the coop.
06-26-12 | 09:53 AM
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If not for the moms who threw away those baseball cards, the folks who altered the "common" commercial products of their time, and the many other examples that were just used as intended and eventually used up, there would not be many "rare" types of anything except for those limited-edition/limited-run specialized examples that were collector's pieces from the start.
We are talking about a commercially available mass-produced consumer-grade bicycle here -not a hand-built race bike or custom show-stopper bike built by a famous builder to spec for a well-heeled buyer. This is not a high sin of destroying an irreplaceable masterpiece that belongs in a museum.
In the end it's just frakkin' stamped-out mass-produced Schwinn for chissake!
We are talking about a commercially available mass-produced consumer-grade bicycle here -not a hand-built race bike or custom show-stopper bike built by a famous builder to spec for a well-heeled buyer. This is not a high sin of destroying an irreplaceable masterpiece that belongs in a museum.
In the end it's just frakkin' stamped-out mass-produced Schwinn for chissake!
06-26-12 | 10:03 AM
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I'm enjoying this thread immensely and it's all thanks to you!
06-26-12 | 10:16 AM
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06-26-12 | 10:29 AM
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But he never rode it. He has a Rivendell and he wanted to turn this bike into a pseudo Rivendell but the Rivendell is better - duh.
I think he should've turned it into a Sheldon-esque fixed gear so he'd have something very different from his Rivendell and maybe he would've ridden it more - drewed or not. What he actually did, is spend a bunch of money on it and now he's going to lock in his losses when he sells.
I think he should've turned it into a Sheldon-esque fixed gear so he'd have something very different from his Rivendell and maybe he would've ridden it more - drewed or not. What he actually did, is spend a bunch of money on it and now he's going to lock in his losses when he sells.
06-26-12 | 10:33 AM
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But he never rode it. He has a Rivendell and he wanted to turn this bike into a pseudo Rivendell but the Rivendell is better - duh.
I think he should've turned it into a Sheldon-esque fixed gear so he'd have something very different from his Rivendell and maybe he would've ridden it more - drewed or not. What he actually did, is spend a bunch of money on it and now he's going to lock in his losses when he sells.
I think he should've turned it into a Sheldon-esque fixed gear so he'd have something very different from his Rivendell and maybe he would've ridden it more - drewed or not. What he actually did, is spend a bunch of money on it and now he's going to lock in his losses when he sells.
06-26-12 | 10:44 AM
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The question is what would I do?
I would ride the heck out of it!
It's just a bike! Maybe put a IGH on it just to upset Arron!
I would ride the heck out of it!
It's just a bike! Maybe put a IGH on it just to upset Arron!
06-26-12 | 10:48 AM
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06-26-12 | 10:48 AM
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We had a motto at the shop where we restored vintage Volkswagens.
You can spend 5 thousand customizing your bug to make it worth 3 thousand if you can sell it, or spend 3 thousand restoring it and have it worth 5 thousand when you sell it. Your choice.
You can spend 5 thousand customizing your bug to make it worth 3 thousand if you can sell it, or spend 3 thousand restoring it and have it worth 5 thousand when you sell it. Your choice.
06-26-12 | 12:01 PM
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Weinmann bashing on the C&V forum. Weinmanns are the king of vintage brakes, and they work great.
06-26-12 | 12:14 PM
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06-26-12 | 12:16 PM
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I'm not sure which i hate more, Weinmann slows, or IGH.
06-26-12 | 12:17 PM
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06-26-12 | 12:32 PM
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The bike is perfect. I would strip off the dopey fenders..I don't like rattling fenders. I don't understand why anybody would want to use Campy hubs instead of Phil. I like Campy hubs but Phil hubs are just flat out better.
I would offer 1500$ and see if the seller woulld bite. I'm not in the position to make any offer but it's a nice bike for a taller person. I think the components and build is perfect.
The stock parts are there if you want em...but seriously...why wouldn't you want the Tektro brakes over the Campy? And why would you want to use a junky Campy crankset. Campy cranks are weak flexy junky. Even the Sugino Campy copies are flexy...This bike was "resto-modded" with function in mind.
Although vintage Campy functions very well this bike is now road worthy with a hiccup free drivetrain. I give the owner of the bike props for making it 21st worthy and classy.
I would offer 1500$ and see if the seller woulld bite. I'm not in the position to make any offer but it's a nice bike for a taller person. I think the components and build is perfect.
The stock parts are there if you want em...but seriously...why wouldn't you want the Tektro brakes over the Campy? And why would you want to use a junky Campy crankset. Campy cranks are weak flexy junky. Even the Sugino Campy copies are flexy...This bike was "resto-modded" with function in mind.
Although vintage Campy functions very well this bike is now road worthy with a hiccup free drivetrain. I give the owner of the bike props for making it 21st worthy and classy.