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Old 12-29-12, 10:29 AM
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Vintage Raleigh Frame Unmarked

I am looking at buying a Raleigh frame, but the seller says it is unmarked, as in it isn't a specific frame. https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/3459169174.html Does anyone know about this type of frame if its actually worth $75, just tell me all you know, wheter its quality or whatever.
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Entry level for the US market, I believe. Nothing special. My opinion, of course.
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What does that mean? And so your saying not worth the $75
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What does that mean? And so your saying not worth the $75
Without knowing where you live and what the market conditions are like in your area, that is all I know, regarding the actual value of the frame set. There is one heck of a lot to understand when it comes to Vintage Bicycle Value and much of it has little, or nothing, to do with the actual bicycle itself. And, for what it is worth, that link I just supplied is, pretty much, all that I know about the value of that frame set.

Were it me, I would pass, but my guess is that I am a great deal different, when it comes to acquiring vintage bicycles, than you are.
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Taiwan built
hi ten steel

I would think $30 for the frame BB generator and light and headset would be a fair price
can't date the lugs or the Chrome top of the Fork
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How do you know its hi ten steel, and taiwan built?
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Judging by the pictures this bike was originally delivered with a kickstand, fenders and stem shifters. Don't know about Taiwan, but hi-ten was what was commonly used by Raleigh England for these bikes. $ 30 would be reasonable where I live.

Just bought this for about $40:

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It has stamped dropouts and brazeons you usually see with stem shifters, not DT shifters. These indicate a low end frame which would probably not have anything except hi ten steel. I would pass on it unless it were $25 or less.
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Vintage Raleigh Frame Unmarked

I am guessing you are in the Chicago area? I have a very nice 1977 Raleigh Super Course, complete bike, 22 1/2" frame, nice components that i would sell to you for a good price if you are interested.
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I think I recognize the sticker on the seat tube just over the BB. It is a frame tubing sticker. Google some of the Taiwan-made Raleighs (R-1, Rampar, Reliant, iIrc) and I think you'll see the same sticker. That bike sold for less than $150 when it was new and that was for the whole bike.

Here's one photo, for example. This is a Reliant. Same tubing sticker. I have a terrible internet connection so I can't help much but you get the idea.

[IMG[https://s282.beta.photobucket.com/user/yesmandan/media/Craiglist/100_1366.jpg.html[/IMG]

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That style of head badge, which doesn't have "Nottingham" under the heron but instead hash marks, indicates a Japanese (for some early 80s low-end models) or more likely a Taiwan build.
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Originally Posted by djh48 View Post
How do you know its hi ten steel, and taiwan built?

the headbadge
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means not england made I guess it could be Holland or one of the other NON England Shops most of those with the ////////// /////// I have seen have a made in Taiwan sticker on em...

and the sticker on the frame says High Carbon
which is synonymous with High Tensile

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Originally Posted by djh48 View Post
What does that mean? And so your saying not worth the $75
I think that is the consensus.
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Old 12-30-12, 11:49 PM
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The odd part on that is the chrome cap on the fork, that's not very common on old Raligh bikes. The decal arrangement and color makes me think it may have been a Sprite, possibly built in Holland. Most of the Asian built models I've run into have been badged Rampar. The lugs also look too ornate for Taiwan.
I had an early 80's Sprite here that had that head badge and that style high carbon steel decal.
Either way, its a low end frame, it all depends on what your looking to build. Price wise, I'd say its a bit high. I've had trouble selling that level bike here for more than $10 or $20 complete and in rideable shape.
The last one I had here I ended up giving away after I couldn't get $25 for it on CL.
It would be a different story if it were a Sports or Superbe model though. They sell well here.

I'd off him $20 and see what reply you get.
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i'd wait for a complete bike or you're gonna end up spending a lot of money on a frame that doesn't really deserve too much $$$
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Originally Posted by oldlugs View Post
Most of the Asian built models I've run into have been badged Rampar.
The bike has Rampar stickers on the fork near the crown. It's a Raleigh Rampar. Low end stuff. Not quite junk, but like others pointed out- low end steel, stamped dropouts, etc. = low end.
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Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
The bike has Rampar stickers on the fork near the crown. It's a Raleigh Rampar. Low end stuff. Not quite junk, but like others pointed out- low end steel, stamped dropouts, etc. = low end.
Those "R" decals don't necessarily mean Rampar, they put those on any fork that wasn't adorned with a specific tubing decal.
My 1977, 1978 Super Courses both have them, the SC is a Carlton frame, plus my 1978 Nottingham built Super Grand Prix has them too. I've also seen those on later Sports and LTD models.
I don't think the frame pictured in that add is Rampar, the color and lugs don't look like any of the Asian bikes to me.
The only part I'm not sure about is that rear brake bridge and the chrome fork cap. The only thing that comes to mind is maybe a 1981 or so Reliant, which like many I've seen were from Holland. I don't have a good pic of one to compare to. If you look at the catalog pics, none of the Rampar bikes had very fancy lugs, the lugs on the bike above are somewhat styled.

Either way, again, its still low end and a $20 bargain basement type bike at best.
Its also pretty rough looking paint wise.
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Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
I am guessing you are in the Chicago area? I have a very nice 1977 Raleigh Super Course, complete bike, 22 1/2" frame, nice components that i would sell to you for a good price if you are interested.
This, the OP should pursue this.
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sounds interesting
Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
I am guessing you are in the Chicago area? I have a very nice 1977 Raleigh Super Course, complete bike, 22 1/2" frame, nice components that i would sell to you for a good price if you are interested.
+++ I guess we will never know


choices I like this one
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/3503979461.html


and these

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/3510874899.html

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/3510726630.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/3508979569.html
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