Been eyeing the Ciocc on Nashbar. looks like a beautiful frameset, and deeply discounted
what do you c&v people think?
I'm no expert in old school frames or design

one neg for me is the 1" threaded, but I can work around that

Do you have a link?

Ciocc is one of the finest riding bikes. But at the price of the nashbar frame, I would rather buy an original complete ciocc from the 80's.

Ciocc San Cristobal Frameset___

The bianchi tipo corsa frame would make for a pretty sweet build as well:

Tipo Corsa Frameset | Bianchi USA

On the Ciocc, did not Mr. Pelizzoli sell off or otherwise no longer have access to the Ciocc name? So, the bikes are branded Ciocc, but not from the original source?

+1. You'd probably have money to spare too, and the bike wouldn't depreciate by 40% the minute it got into your hands.

I found the information on Ciocc.
Sold off in 1980, Mr. Pelizzoli returned to frame building under his own name in 1983, using his surname. Builds his and does some contract building now, plus restorations.

Ciocc, has had at least two owners since 1980.

Why not have a custom frame built instead of Nashbar? Go directly to the source:

History | PELIZZOLI world

A nice Corsa GP is on my list

You could probably buy a complete vintage "real" Ciocc for the price of those Nashbar Ciocc's. I say save your money.

Pass. Since they don't specify the tubeset, I would guess lower end of the columbus spectrum.

Get the real deal.

they also have a
Guerciotti Record Road Frameset
with Dedacciai ZeroUno steel tubes

Pelozzoli looks interesting

I see those ciocc and guercs the same as the Boulder Herses. Their sold by Boulder Cycles but built by Waterford. I'm not knocking on Waterford as they build an amazing frame but it's just not the same. I guess the same goes for those exact same brands when they were imported by TSD back in the 80's. Mind you they were actually built in Italy but came here as blank frames and painted here(which honestly was better quality) but just doesn't have that same originality in my booked as something completely built at that builders shop. Sorry just my .02

[QUOTEA nice Corsa GP is on my list[/QUOTE]

Lugged of Fillet Brazed?

Get a real one velociao

I've seen those newer CIOCC frames. There's one in my neighborhood, I still prefer mine. Oh, and I would never change out the fork.

C&Vers can be very passionate about our frames, and can lead one to believe that since Ugo himself did not braze the current De Rosa lineup they are worthless frames. The frame in question is probably a very good frame. I seriously would doubt that the current owners of Ciocc would put that storied name (San Cristobal) on a gas pipe frame which could damage their good name which they hopefully paid "Chooch" dearly for. If you would study the beautiful lines of available stems for 1" threaded forks you may change your mind about that head tube.

In the frame's defense, those who have purchased and reviewed, are reporting a frame/ fork weight of 5.5 lbs, one claimed 18.5 built up.

Yes, I read that as well.

Sounds like there are some headset fit issues as well.

I think it is an attractive frameset though. I also don't think $1,500 is unreasonable for a new frameset. Looks like a Billato build which means solid construction characteristics.

If you shop wisely, a De Rosa Neo Primato is about the same price, with a Nuovo Classico running just a little more. They are beautiful and no one seems to knock them.

Ciocc San Cris uses double-butted COLUMBUS SL NIOBIUM
anyone know the niobium tubeset?

I think it's a really pretty frameset, better than a lot of steel bikes I've seen

A little steel info.

Gotta love google.

Columbus Tubi

No experience with the frame but I know if you regularly check returned items on Nashbar sometimes one will show up and they'll knock a few hundred $$$ off the price. You have to act quick if it's in a desirable size like 56 though.

They sell guerciottis too... I have no opinion on them because I have no experience, but the guy I bought my Lovell from said that many of his friends raced on Guerciottis in the early 80s because that's what their sponsor provided -- he said they all hated them. That surprised me because I thought they were fairly well regarded.

Again I have no first hand experience with this, this is all hearsay and is inadmissible to prove the truth of the matter.

Agreed.

I would like to ride one to see what the deal is with these.

Two similar offerings:


Columbus SL Niobium Road

COLNAGO|MASTER

Interesting that the Flandria and Colnago are built with DT cable stops while the Ciocc has lever/stop bosses brazed on, allowing the option for DT shifting. If it were my money I think I would spend it on an original, but these are interesting. If I was gifted one I would feel no guilt in keeping it and riding the snot out of it. It's good to see that the market bears at least limited production numbers of this type of frameset.

That's exactly what I did. I bought a Ciocc and I am very happy with it. Dura-Ace 7700 with DT shifters.

Of course, my first bike in 1988 was a Maruishi RX-5 with low-end Suntour on it. I wish I had had this bike then.



I've swapped out the stem and seatpost since then.