Question for 20+ mph avg commuters
#101
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I'm no fast rider but on my commute, there is a flat 4km road without trafic lights and depending on the wind, I'm like 28-35km/h all the time. Then I reach trafic lights and heavy traffic and my average drops dramatically, but I beleive that on non-city commutes, people have a 20mph average.
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My regular commute is largely flat, but there are two sections on cycle tracks. Both are well used by dog walkers at 7:30am / 5:30pm, and one goes over farmland so there are 5 gates to go through - slows you right down. Add in traffic including two roundabouts on a very busy A road, plus the tourists along the seafront in the evening, and I rarely average more than 15mph.
#103
I had to check my Strava, and it's been a long time since I was near 20mph average on my "commute segment", over a year, so I have to say it's very unusual for me, but I know that a strong rider could surpass that easily. So I disagree with the thought that people don't really do it, or are exaggerating.
What makes it almost meaningless for "average commute speed" is that my segment chops off the parking lots and driveway at both ends, which can be 3-6 minutes on any given commute, which makes more difference in the door-to-door speed than how hard I try to hammer it. Plus, whether I catch the left turn signal green and how many times I slow to pass by people, but more than anything just the ends can knock the "average" down 2 or 3 mph.
What makes it almost meaningless for "average commute speed" is that my segment chops off the parking lots and driveway at both ends, which can be 3-6 minutes on any given commute, which makes more difference in the door-to-door speed than how hard I try to hammer it. Plus, whether I catch the left turn signal green and how many times I slow to pass by people, but more than anything just the ends can knock the "average" down 2 or 3 mph.
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#107
On one 2.2-km Strava segment where there's no lights, flat, and smooth tarmac surface, I can average 32 kph on the drops without much trouble. I could imagine if I had a similar stretch 10 times that length (which is the length of my commute) under similar conditions I could easily average 32 kph.
Now if I could only duplicate these conditions for my whole commute.
Now if I could only duplicate these conditions for my whole commute.
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I can probably average 18 on my road bike on the slightly downhill commute into the office. 90 percent of the route is on an MUP. Different story on the way home. 13 mph would be fast... unless I'm on my ebike, then it's 18 either direction.
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20mph is not possible in the city.
For over a decade I had over a 40 mile RT commute. When I was at my peak, a 20mph RT average on one of my fast bikes was a disappointment though I had to work hard for it. However, that ride also had a 19 mile stretch with no stoplights, signs, or turns to slow me down and it was pretty flat.
I live in Portland now. Even if I'm only going a couple miles and it's downhill, I never get anywhere near 20 -- I'm lucky to break 16. It's just not possible with all the turns, signs, etc.
For over a decade I had over a 40 mile RT commute. When I was at my peak, a 20mph RT average on one of my fast bikes was a disappointment though I had to work hard for it. However, that ride also had a 19 mile stretch with no stoplights, signs, or turns to slow me down and it was pretty flat.
I live in Portland now. Even if I'm only going a couple miles and it's downhill, I never get anywhere near 20 -- I'm lucky to break 16. It's just not possible with all the turns, signs, etc.
What part of the city is your commute?
#112
Speed depends on distance and traffic conditions.
That said, I don't have any interest in racing to work or home.
Nobody wants to be working with Mr. or Ms. stinky.
At home I can shower, other places, almost never.
That said, I don't have any interest in racing to work or home.
Nobody wants to be working with Mr. or Ms. stinky.
At home I can shower, other places, almost never.
#113
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Doesn't matter which route I take -- downtown is hopeless. The lights are timed so slowly that I overrun them going uphill on Broadway. On the return, I can take Naito which is nicer in the winter, but you still have to get to it and can catch a light. Interstate from Moda to Lombard is decent, but it's still rare to not get caught by a light or two along the way. I use my bike to get around. Unless you're a reasonable distance from the core, going even one mile without having to stop for something is rare.
#114
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When I was commuting a lot more often, I am not a fast rider, but I didn't get passed that often either. Granted, I was on a fixed gear cyclocross frame but I made sure I had slick 28mm tires. I would average maybe 15 mph? on a good day. Into Boston, over 7-10 miles.
Then I see numbers like 20+ mph in commuting forum?? I am thinking these guys are fast riders to begin with but their commutes have to be in rural/suburban flat terrain, no?
Can some of you share your routes, please? For inspiration... Would anyone average 20+mph commuting into a decent-sized city?
Then I see numbers like 20+ mph in commuting forum?? I am thinking these guys are fast riders to begin with but their commutes have to be in rural/suburban flat terrain, no?
Can some of you share your routes, please? For inspiration... Would anyone average 20+mph commuting into a decent-sized city?
I commuted from Billerica to Cambridge daily for 9 months back in 2011. The route mostly included the Middlesex Turnpike and Minuteman bike path, which has an infuriating number of stop signs. Other parts of my route were chosen to minimize traffic lights. I'd estimate I averaged 17mph most of the time. I think I may have topped out at 19mph average once or twice on that route. It was during the dark days before Strava, but after I kept a ride log notebook .
Since 2011, I've had rural/subuarban commutes in the NH seacoast area. The routes generally avoid traffic lights and stop signs to the greatest extent possible -- approximately 5 traffic lights in 19 miles. About 600ft elevation gain in that distance, which is fairly flat. The roads are a mix of town-maintained paved back roads with a couple of busier state roads. I've always lived northwest of my office. In the winter time, the prevailing winds are such that it's really hard to average 15mph at 200W on a road bike. I refined my aero commuter bike setup during those torturous winter commutes. Come summer time, those same ~200W were good for 20mph average door-to-door. There were a few weeks during summer time with a 20+mph average. Now most of my bike commutes on a geared cross bike with a toddler seat, I'm back down to 18-19mph average.
So you want a faster bike commute? This is the order I'd recommend.
1. Avoid stopping as much as possible.
2. Pedal steadily.
3. Reduce your transition times (time to park bike, get your gear on/off the bike)
4. Train to get faster.
5. Get more aero.
6. Get tires that aren't slow.
#115
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I've been a 20+ mph commuter at times, but also a 17mph commuter and 15mph commuter. Almost all of my bike commuting from 2006 to present has been on a fixed gear with 28mm tires, like the OP. First I used a Redline 925 with drop bars, 42x15 gearing, typically a Chrome Citizen messenger bag. Currently I have a Voodoo Agwe with 45x15 gearing, TT bars, and behind-the-seat bag that's pretty aerodynamic. There have been a whole bunch of other setups in the mix - geared bikes, studded tires, panniers, etc.
I commuted from Billerica to Cambridge daily for 9 months back in 2011. The route mostly included the Middlesex Turnpike and Minuteman bike path, which has an infuriating number of stop signs. Other parts of my route were chosen to minimize traffic lights. I'd estimate I averaged 17mph most of the time. I think I may have topped out at 19mph average once or twice on that route. It was during the dark days before Strava, but after I kept a ride log notebook .
Since 2011, I've had rural/subuarban commutes in the NH seacoast area. The routes generally avoid traffic lights and stop signs to the greatest extent possible -- approximately 5 traffic lights in 19 miles. About 600ft elevation gain in that distance, which is fairly flat. The roads are a mix of town-maintained paved back roads with a couple of busier state roads. I've always lived northwest of my office. In the winter time, the prevailing winds are such that it's really hard to average 15mph at 200W on a road bike. I refined my aero commuter bike setup during those torturous winter commutes. Come summer time, those same ~200W were good for 20mph average door-to-door. There were a few weeks during summer time with a 20+mph average. Now most of my bike commutes on a geared cross bike with a toddler seat, I'm back down to 18-19mph average.
So you want a faster bike commute? This is the order I'd recommend.
1. Avoid stopping as much as possible.
2. Pedal steadily.
3. Reduce your transition times (time to park bike, get your gear on/off the bike)
4. Train to get faster.
5. Get more aero.
6. Get tires that aren't slow.
I commuted from Billerica to Cambridge daily for 9 months back in 2011. The route mostly included the Middlesex Turnpike and Minuteman bike path, which has an infuriating number of stop signs. Other parts of my route were chosen to minimize traffic lights. I'd estimate I averaged 17mph most of the time. I think I may have topped out at 19mph average once or twice on that route. It was during the dark days before Strava, but after I kept a ride log notebook .
Since 2011, I've had rural/subuarban commutes in the NH seacoast area. The routes generally avoid traffic lights and stop signs to the greatest extent possible -- approximately 5 traffic lights in 19 miles. About 600ft elevation gain in that distance, which is fairly flat. The roads are a mix of town-maintained paved back roads with a couple of busier state roads. I've always lived northwest of my office. In the winter time, the prevailing winds are such that it's really hard to average 15mph at 200W on a road bike. I refined my aero commuter bike setup during those torturous winter commutes. Come summer time, those same ~200W were good for 20mph average door-to-door. There were a few weeks during summer time with a 20+mph average. Now most of my bike commutes on a geared cross bike with a toddler seat, I'm back down to 18-19mph average.
So you want a faster bike commute? This is the order I'd recommend.
1. Avoid stopping as much as possible.
2. Pedal steadily.
3. Reduce your transition times (time to park bike, get your gear on/off the bike)
4. Train to get faster.
5. Get more aero.
6. Get tires that aren't slow.
How are you measuring speed on your 20mph commute?
I don't get what number 3 is for? Why would the length of time getting off the bike, parking, etc, have to do with average speed ON the bike?
#116
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Speed measured via Garmin Edge 800 or iPhone strava app. Average speeds per Strava in either case.
I threw in number 3 because it's relevant to saving time while bike commuting. Biking faster isn't the only way to free up some time. Sure, it has no impact on the average speed in this thread. However, I think it'd be foolish to make modifications to one's commuter bike that would make the ends of the commute worse. For example, I used a full frame pack commuting one day because it's more aero than a giant handlebar bag (and my behind-the-seat space was occupied). Stuffing my gear into the frame pack took so long that I never wanted to use it again for commuting.
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I threw in number 3 because it's relevant to saving time while bike commuting. Biking faster isn't the only way to free up some time. Sure, it has no impact on the average speed in this thread. However, I think it'd be foolish to make modifications to one's commuter bike that would make the ends of the commute worse. For example, I used a full frame pack commuting one day because it's more aero than a giant handlebar bag (and my behind-the-seat space was occupied). Stuffing my gear into the frame pack took so long that I never wanted to use it again for commuting.
#118
That's true, but going for a faster commuting speed has little to do with the overall time of the commute. It's about the speed.
I had one of my shorter duration commutes today, cruising in the shade at around 14 mph. It took about 3 seconds to pull my bag out of my trunk pack, I didn't need to change or clean up, just straight to my desk.
I do like the advice about shaving time at the endpoints though, and I've gone to some trouble to do that myself. My handlebar bag (for the road bike) is aero
and I can just pull it up and off in a quick motion, transforming to a backpack. Even quicker than messing with the trunk. But that's about saving time, not going fast.
I had one of my shorter duration commutes today, cruising in the shade at around 14 mph. It took about 3 seconds to pull my bag out of my trunk pack, I didn't need to change or clean up, just straight to my desk.
I do like the advice about shaving time at the endpoints though, and I've gone to some trouble to do that myself. My handlebar bag (for the road bike) is aero
and I can just pull it up and off in a quick motion, transforming to a backpack. Even quicker than messing with the trunk. But that's about saving time, not going fast.
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I admit I didn't see the point of #3 at first, but now I totally get your point... why worry about a 'fast' commute if you waste a ton of time getting on/off the bike. That's one reason I love my Chrome Citizen for most commutes, fast/easy to pack, also it's very comfortable (I know this isn't true for every rider), and there's little aero penalty. I ride the city bike with panniers at least once a week to haul groceries to the office fridge, making the Chrome bag lighter for most commutes.
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I do see some people on the bike path going faster than I can imagine going. They have no cargo, or they have a small backpack and no rack/luggage on the bike. I imagine some are commuting but most are just riding. When you commute to work, you generally have stuff to carry.
I rode at the same speed as a couple of bike commuters Wednesday evening, and we were going at around 17 mph, much faster than I usually go.
I rode at the same speed as a couple of bike commuters Wednesday evening, and we were going at around 17 mph, much faster than I usually go.
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#121
I don’t care about saving time at the beginning or end. Not punching a time clock. I take my time double locking my bike, getting shower stuff out of the locker, taking a shower, getting dressed, making a cup of coffee. What’s the hurry? Bike commuting is a hobby I enjoy. Riding fast is enjoyable. Trudging along is boring. If I was concerned with saving time, I’d just drive to work.
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I don’t care about saving time at the beginning or end. Not punching a time clock. I take my time double locking my bike, getting shower stuff out of the locker, taking a shower, getting dressed, making a cup of coffee. What’s the hurry? Bike commuting is a hobby I enjoy. Riding fast is enjoyable. Trudging along is boring. If I was concerned with saving time, I’d just drive to work.
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I do see some people on the bike path going faster than I can imagine going. They have no cargo, or they have a small backpack and no rack/luggage on the bike. I imagine some are commuting but most are just riding. When you commute to work, you generally have stuff to carry.
Downhill the extra weight will be an advantage, uphill a disadvantage; downhill any extra aero penalty will be more severe, uphill it will be less relevant.
It would be interesting to study the conditions that would make cargo be a net advantage downhill (extra weight pushes through air resistance, more than the extra bulk causes air resistance). The ridiculous extreme of a sail or parachute would be almost no extra weight with lots of extra air resistance for net slower downhill, but a rack and rack trunk out of the slipstream would probably have negligible aero difference, and net benefit for downhill from the weight.
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I don’t care about saving time at the beginning or end. Not punching a time clock. I take my time double locking my bike, getting shower stuff out of the locker, taking a shower, getting dressed, making a cup of coffee. What’s the hurry? Bike commuting is a hobby I enjoy. Riding fast is enjoyable. Trudging along is boring. If I was concerned with saving time, I’d just drive to work.
#125
That's fantastic for you that your job requirements and overall life schedule allow that attitude. (I'm also similarly fortunate.) But many people do have to punch a clock, or do have to minimize the time they spend commuting, to make room in their schedule for other obligations.






