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#26
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Originally Posted by davidmcowan
It's getting colder here in Denver but we haven't yet had any snow. I'm proud to say I've maintained a five day a week to work commute and a seven day a week errand runner. The part the scares me isn't getting the right clothes (if I can spend 6 hours boarding down a freezing mountain I should be able to dress for 1 hour of bike riding) but because this is Denver I'm riding on my hybrid slicks. When the snow comes am I going to die? Is there anyone who has survived winters on wheels like these? Please tell me how, I'd prefer not to die.
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#27
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie
Does anyone carry those heat pads for the hands or feet? I can not remember what they are called. You activate them when in need of heat. I think they are chemical based.
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie
Does anyone carry those heat pads for the hands or feet? I can not remember what they are called. You activate them when in need of heat. I think they are chemical based.
For gloves, I use a brand I get from Gart's (I really don't shop there much but sometimes you just have to) called Serius. I don't have problems with my hands getting cold (usually just the opposite) and these gloves are thin, windproof and work well for me. YMMV. I also use the Serius Ear warmer under my helmet.
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
#29
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Actually, my current set of gear appears to be fine at 15F. As it gets colder I will need to replace a few items. Plus, my old ski gloves do not have much flexibility.
I was more curious about the handwarmers as an emergency measure.
Now if my Burley jacket ever gets here....
One month being backorder is a bit obnoxious. Come friday and it still has not shipped, I'm cancelling the order and visiting a LBS or REI.
I was more curious about the handwarmers as an emergency measure.
Now if my Burley jacket ever gets here....
One month being backorder is a bit obnoxious. Come friday and it still has not shipped, I'm cancelling the order and visiting a LBS or REI.
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie
Actually, my current set of gear appears to be fine at 15F. As it gets colder I will need to replace a few items. Plus, my old ski gloves do not have much flexibility.
I was more curious about the handwarmers as an emergency measure.
Now if my Burley jacket ever gets here....
One month being backorder is a bit obnoxious. Come friday and it still has not shipped, I'm cancelling the order and visiting a LBS or REI.
I was more curious about the handwarmers as an emergency measure.
Now if my Burley jacket ever gets here....
One month being backorder is a bit obnoxious. Come friday and it still has not shipped, I'm cancelling the order and visiting a LBS or REI.
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
#31
Originally Posted by vrkelley
Probably the worst mistake a newbie can make is underestimating the weather. For temps below 45...a 5-10F drop in temerature is significant. If you're traveling over 10miles, always have a plan B in mind. i.e., carry an extra shirt, and scarf or have a bail out plan of some sort.
There's nothing worse than being 15miles out with no place to warm up, get water or go to the bathroom. Also keep a log of what worked for a particular temperature range.
For those who've cycled a year or more...Remember that what worked last year may not work this year because your circulation has improved. You actually may need to wear less on your torso, but remember to wear warm gear on head, neck, knees and feet.
There's nothing worse than being 15miles out with no place to warm up, get water or go to the bathroom. Also keep a log of what worked for a particular temperature range.
For those who've cycled a year or more...Remember that what worked last year may not work this year because your circulation has improved. You actually may need to wear less on your torso, but remember to wear warm gear on head, neck, knees and feet.
today i wore:
2 pairs of socks
tights, (biking shorts on top)
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tight stretch base layer shirt (from nashbar)
nylon shell light jacket
helly hansen light but extremely insulated jacket on top of that
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full head cover with neck covering (burgler looking face cut out thing)
winter hat on top of that
gortex ski gloves
i never used my head cover thing (only for skiing), but it worked great and totally insulates side of face and neck.
i just got this base layer from nashbar and love it - it replaces a heavy flannel type shirt i wore, which felt really heavy with a light sweat. just wearing that and my jacket is perfect, maybe a shirt between them.
https://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...eid=&pagename=
it seems like a lot of gear, but a few light layers is much more easier than big bulky jackets. yesterday i wore short little socks, and left an open space on the back of my ankle, was a bit raw when i got to work (no skin for insulation there).
#32
hey three Denver posts in a row 
i've mentioned before my favorite commuting gadget is actually my wireless thermometer. i have this in my bathroom, and can dress without going downstairs and outside to check weather. the above poster is right, 25 feels much different than 35, so this helps.
https://www.ambientweather.com/thermometers.html
ask your sig. other to get you one for christmas!

i've mentioned before my favorite commuting gadget is actually my wireless thermometer. i have this in my bathroom, and can dress without going downstairs and outside to check weather. the above poster is right, 25 feels much different than 35, so this helps.
https://www.ambientweather.com/thermometers.html
ask your sig. other to get you one for christmas!
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Hum....
I'm thinking a burley jacket is overkill. Most ponder cancelling order and redistributing the money elsewhere. Jacket and Panniers!
Incidentally, I rode also this morning.
My items were:
Head: balaclava, helmet, and googles
Torso: Nike pro fit shirt, mid weight fleece jacket liner, and a windbreaker
Legs: Tights, cycling shorts, and a pair of jogging pants to stop the wind.
Feet: cotton socks and wool skiing socks. Tennis shoes
Hands: ski gloves
Everything was fine. The areas for improvement lie in my torso. I need a cycling jacket and to seperate the fleece jacket liner into several thinner layers. Maybe better gloves.
I'm thinking a burley jacket is overkill. Most ponder cancelling order and redistributing the money elsewhere. Jacket and Panniers!
Incidentally, I rode also this morning.
My items were:
Head: balaclava, helmet, and googles
Torso: Nike pro fit shirt, mid weight fleece jacket liner, and a windbreaker
Legs: Tights, cycling shorts, and a pair of jogging pants to stop the wind.
Feet: cotton socks and wool skiing socks. Tennis shoes
Hands: ski gloves
Everything was fine. The areas for improvement lie in my torso. I need a cycling jacket and to seperate the fleece jacket liner into several thinner layers. Maybe better gloves.
#34
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I'm thinking of checking this one out, how do you get a 20% off coupon?
#35
Originally Posted by tajsss
I'm a newbie winter commuter. But I'm also a newbie commuter. Only been commuting for about 2 months. I also live in Dallas so I don't have much (read "any") chance of snow or ice. I plan to keep riding as my only problem will be cold (to me). I read so much about people dealing with snow and ice and negative temp's and all this stuff, I feel I have to keep riding in the cold. I can withstand temperatures pretty well. My wife on the other hand who started commuting about 2 months ago as well, has pretty quit for the winter. She does not like the cold at all. I'll be lucky to get her to go out on Sunday afternoon rides with me when it is a little warmer than early in the morning.
Which route do you travel, and how many miles of commuting? I am riding on Plano Parkway and it's almost perfect for bike commute after 9:15 AM in the morning and after 6:40 PM in the evening. My commute is 9 miles one way.
#36
Originally Posted by DataJunkie
Hum....
I'm thinking a burley jacket is overkill. Most ponder cancelling order and redistributing the money elsewhere. Jacket and Panniers!
Incidentally, I rode also this morning.
My items were:
Head: balaclava, helmet, and googles
Torso: Nike pro fit shirt, mid weight fleece jacket liner, and a windbreaker
Legs: Tights, cycling shorts, and a pair of jogging pants to stop the wind.
Feet: cotton socks and wool skiing socks. Tennis shoes
Hands: ski gloves
Everything was fine. The areas for improvement lie in my torso. I need a cycling jacket and to seperate the fleece jacket liner into several thinner layers. Maybe better gloves.
I'm thinking a burley jacket is overkill. Most ponder cancelling order and redistributing the money elsewhere. Jacket and Panniers!
Incidentally, I rode also this morning.
My items were:
Head: balaclava, helmet, and googles
Torso: Nike pro fit shirt, mid weight fleece jacket liner, and a windbreaker
Legs: Tights, cycling shorts, and a pair of jogging pants to stop the wind.
Feet: cotton socks and wool skiing socks. Tennis shoes
Hands: ski gloves
Everything was fine. The areas for improvement lie in my torso. I need a cycling jacket and to seperate the fleece jacket liner into several thinner layers. Maybe better gloves.
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie
Hum....
I'm thinking a burley jacket is overkill. Most ponder cancelling order and redistributing the money elsewhere. Jacket and Panniers!
Incidentally, I rode also this morning.
My items were:
Head: balaclava, helmet, and googles
Torso: Nike pro fit shirt, mid weight fleece jacket liner, and a windbreaker
Legs: Tights, cycling shorts, and a pair of jogging pants to stop the wind.
Feet: cotton socks and wool skiing socks. Tennis shoes
Hands: ski gloves
Everything was fine. The areas for improvement lie in my torso. I need a cycling jacket and to seperate the fleece jacket liner into several thinner layers. Maybe better gloves.
I'm thinking a burley jacket is overkill. Most ponder cancelling order and redistributing the money elsewhere. Jacket and Panniers!
Incidentally, I rode also this morning.
My items were:
Head: balaclava, helmet, and googles
Torso: Nike pro fit shirt, mid weight fleece jacket liner, and a windbreaker
Legs: Tights, cycling shorts, and a pair of jogging pants to stop the wind.
Feet: cotton socks and wool skiing socks. Tennis shoes
Hands: ski gloves
Everything was fine. The areas for improvement lie in my torso. I need a cycling jacket and to seperate the fleece jacket liner into several thinner layers. Maybe better gloves.
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
#38
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From: PDX
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I think I got enough experience points to go up a level in foul-weather commuting today. I bike commuted last winter too but I was never very comfortable doing it. Granted, I'm in the SF Bay Area so things are a lot milder here than some of ya'll. Today I zipped in through puddles, showers, and some heavier rain, temps about 50F, without any misery. I was geared up like:
SPD sandals, Sealskinz waterproof socks over 2-layer Wrightsocks
REI semi-breathable pants (front neoprene, back spandex) over bike shorts
Normal short-sleeve jersey
I was actually a bit disappointed that it wasn't more wet. But not disappointed enough to, like, move to Seattle or anything.
SPD sandals, Sealskinz waterproof socks over 2-layer Wrightsocks
REI semi-breathable pants (front neoprene, back spandex) over bike shorts
Normal short-sleeve jersey
I was actually a bit disappointed that it wasn't more wet. But not disappointed enough to, like, move to Seattle or anything.
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#39
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Originally Posted by VintageCommute
Which route do you travel, and how many miles of commuting? I am riding on Plano Parkway and it's almost perfect for bike commute after 9:15 AM in the morning and after 6:40 PM in the evening. My commute is 9 miles one way.
#40
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From: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Bikes: Crappy but operational secondhand Motobecane Messenger
I'm going to split my commute - half driving, half riding.
I need the ride very bad ... but the hills can get dangerous as temps drop, mostly due the humans enveloped in a nice metal box.
BTW ... my box part canvas.
I need the ride very bad ... but the hills can get dangerous as temps drop, mostly due the humans enveloped in a nice metal box.
BTW ... my box part canvas.
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#41
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Originally Posted by jamesdenver
hey three Denver posts in a row 
i've mentioned before my favorite commuting gadget is actually my wireless thermometer. i have this in my bathroom, and can dress without going downstairs and outside to check weather. the above poster is right, 25 feels much different than 35, so this helps.
https://www.ambientweather.com/thermometers.html
ask your sig. other to get you one for christmas!

i've mentioned before my favorite commuting gadget is actually my wireless thermometer. i have this in my bathroom, and can dress without going downstairs and outside to check weather. the above poster is right, 25 feels much different than 35, so this helps.
https://www.ambientweather.com/thermometers.html
ask your sig. other to get you one for christmas!
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
#42
Originally Posted by truman
I'm a Ft Worth commuter. We rarely get ice or snow here, and when we do, no one knows how to drive in it. No way am I gonna get on the road on a bike in that situation.
Salute DFW Bike Commuter!
#43
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Originally Posted by VintageCommute
Tennis shoes are too soft. Try moutain bike shoes. It's a world of difference. I bought one pair from Nashbar (Lake?).
The next upgrade after panniers will be converting to clipless. I have a month or two to decide on sandals or regular shoes. The xmas bonus is already spent!
#44
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Try some neoprene shoe covers from Performance. That improves comfort a bunch. I also have found bib tights to be much better at really cold temps than regular tights. They keep your core warmer.
I will ponder the bib tights since I already need a second pair of tights. That would be perfect timing.
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie
The next upgrade after panniers will be converting to clipless. I have a month or two to decide on sandals or regular shoes. The xmas bonus is already spent!
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
#46
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Joined: Sep 2005
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From: Dallas, TX
Wow. Someone else commutes in Dallas. I have seen 1 other person commuting in the past 2 or 3 months and I only saw him one time. Crazy. We are really close to each other actually. I live at Hillcrest/Ohio and George Bush. I commute to UTD 2 days a week via Hillcrest to Frankford to Waterview. I don't have class till 10am so traffic has died down by then and it is not bad. I commute to Las Colinas for work 3 other days a week. I am not commuting the whole way yet. I am driving part of the way and riding the rest. I started out driving to Brookhaven Community College in Farmers Branch then taking Valley View road which turns and runs right into Irving not far from my office. I am currently parking at the Dart station on Arapaho and the North Tollway. I go down Addison Rd. to Valley View and follow that in to Irving. I have to be at work at 7am so I beat all the traffic as I get to work early enough to shower. I don't leave till 6pm so most of the traffic has died down by the time I change clothes and get out the door. My one way trip is 12.5 miles currently. I plan on riding the full distance to work and back starting this Saturday which will be between 18 to 19 miles one way. We'll see how it goes. My wife also commutes (fair weather only though so she is done for the winter) to Addison right by the Addison airport. I've found a lot of smaller roads that she takes that are nice without much traffic. I do drive to work one day a week though and take enough clothes for the whole week so I don't have to carry much with me which is nice and makes the long commute easier without having to carry a bunch of weight like I do to school.
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#49
commuter all star
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From: Seattle, WA
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Originally Posted by tokolosh
anyway, my point just being that layering the right wicking/warmth stuff underneath it has made the search for breathable waterproof gear much less urgent for me. it still doesn't breathe, and i still sweat into it, but to be honest i just don't notice it while i'm riding. the layers keep my skin dry so i stay warm, and usually i strip the jacket inside out when i take it off, and leave it to dry while i'm showering. if your'e in a hurry you can wipe it down, provided you don't mind the gross factor.
Last edited by peregrine; 11-30-05 at 01:31 AM.
#50
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From: Seattle, WA
Bikes: '05 Fuji Cross, '04 Cannondale R1000
I want to ask all of you winter commuters what do you do about your lights in this more severe weather? With daylight savings time at least one of my daily rides is in semi-dark or pitch-dark. Snow, rain, etc also make me think that my current lights are not really adequate. Any input?




