2 minute rule
08-13-11 | 03:21 PM
#26
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Georgia does not have a proceed-on-red law so you're out of luck. There was one pending, HB-161 https://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2011_12/sum/hb161.htm but it was "House Withdrawn, Recommitted" in April, whatever that means. I guess they'll try again next year.
08-14-11 | 06:31 AM
#27
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From: Potomac, MT, USA
Yep, and the temperature too. I can tell you if the intersection is clear of traffic and it's really cold and windy (e.g. winter morning commute), I am not waiting 3 minutes or 2 minutes or even 10 seconds.
I cross a highway only a mile from my house and I am not warmed up enough at that point to sit there in the cold.
I cross a highway only a mile from my house and I am not warmed up enough at that point to sit there in the cold.
08-14-11 | 08:47 PM
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I'm curious, are there a lot of roads out there that have heavy auto traffic two directions and virtually none from the other directions so that this is a problem?
Usually all four directions are either active or dead so worrying about the actuator is not a problem. I.e. you simply stop, look, and go.
I have seen turn lanes that never actuate and you can easily skip a cycle or two, but then it's easy enough to do a straight-across, then turn at the corner as a work around.
Usually all four directions are either active or dead so worrying about the actuator is not a problem. I.e. you simply stop, look, and go.
I have seen turn lanes that never actuate and you can easily skip a cycle or two, but then it's easy enough to do a straight-across, then turn at the corner as a work around.
08-16-11 | 07:57 AM
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2 minute rule - now the 45sec rule!
IANAL but, this seems as if it must be a state by state, or even town-by-town issue. In wisconsin, small vehicles
"...may, after stopping as required under subd. 1. not less than 45 seconds, proceed cautiously through the intersection before the signal turns green if no other vehicles are present at the intersection to actuate the signal and the operator of the motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle reasonably believes the signal is vehicle actuated. "
My impression is that "reasonably" translates to "pretty d*mn sure" - and, sensibly, it only seems to apply if you won't interfere with pedestrians or with traffic that has the green light.
"...may, after stopping as required under subd. 1. not less than 45 seconds, proceed cautiously through the intersection before the signal turns green if no other vehicles are present at the intersection to actuate the signal and the operator of the motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle reasonably believes the signal is vehicle actuated. "
My impression is that "reasonably" translates to "pretty d*mn sure" - and, sensibly, it only seems to apply if you won't interfere with pedestrians or with traffic that has the green light.
08-16-11 | 08:38 PM
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From: Newcastle, WA
Most of the intersections in the city where I work have a white X on the pavement indicating where to put your bicycle wheel in order to trigger the light. I always get a chuckle when I roll up to a light and cyclist is sitting there waiting off to the side or in front of the "X". I used to try to explain to them what the X was for, but most seemed annoyed, so I gave up.
I've seen city employees adjusting the sensitivity of the loops using a bicycle wheel setup almost exactly like the one in the photo earlier in this thread.
I've seen city employees adjusting the sensitivity of the loops using a bicycle wheel setup almost exactly like the one in the photo earlier in this thread.
08-17-11 | 10:39 AM
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I have had moderate success getting troublesome lights to change by unclipping one foot and dragging it (SPD MTB style shoes) lightly across the line perpendicular to the road while also riding on the line parallel to the road. I figure my metal cleat right on the road surface and the wheels over the line give me the best chance. If not, I do the wait and treat it like a stop sign deal.
08-17-11 | 01:37 PM
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No.
CVC 21800
https://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21800.htm
And, of interest but not really helpful: https://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21450_5.htm
KeS
CVC 21800
https://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21800.htm
And, of interest but not really helpful: https://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21450_5.htm
KeS
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2006 Trek SU100, 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX, 2011 Motobecane Fantom Cross Uno, and a Bakfiets
Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
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