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Old 11-15-18, 01:11 AM
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The Rondo Ruut carbon frame can be found right now for around $1200 and can take up to a 2.3" 650B tire.
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Originally Posted by UberIM
Interesting. Speed is not what I am aiming for. Versatility. Something that if I put on studded tires can ride year round in northern New England. The Cutthroat is something that could go from road to single track.
I am also very confused. 27.5/650b-that was the Brevit size? Also 27.5 4 " tires is a thinner fat bike. Salsa Beargrease........So totally confused. 27.5 non fat tires out there too?
I do love a carbon frame-light, nimble and comfortable.

Is there a 27.5 carbon frame bike with 2.25 tires?

I am short. I have a Kona SS 29er. rides ok for a commuter but I don't like it off road........17" feels unwieldy to me
The Cutthroat was made for you then! You will love it. If you are looking fro a true gravel bike it may be a bit overkill, but will serve as a decent gravel bike though you may not win many races on it.
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Originally Posted by Clem von Jones
There are some cool Chinese gravel frames including a copy of the 3T Exploro
Cool until you mount the wheels and try and figure out how to straighten a carbon frame that was made with the front and rear wheels 2 degrees out of line with each other! We have had a few of these come in to our shop over the past 2 years and still get the "It has Ultegra on it, why can't I get it in tune to ride properly. A high quality frame with Tiagara beats the pants off of a cheap knockoff frame with Ultegra bling hanging on it hands down.

An Ultegra derailleur sells a lot of Bikes Direct bikes at low prices, but you should see the owner's faces when we put the frame gauges on it and show them how far out of line everything is and explain why you cannot tune it properly when the crank and rear wheel axles are not parallel...

It amazes me how many people think teh rear derailleur is eh mark of quality instead of a well made frame and good set of wheels. Frame and wheels are the place to spend money and if thise are good quality you can run beautifully on a Tiagara build.
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Since you want to run drop bars, If you are looking at new mountain bikes, it is important to look for ones designed around drop bars. Otherwise, it is very likely that the top tube will be too long to work well with drops.

Drop bar conversions work OK on many older mtbs (as 20+ years old) because MTB top tube lights were generally much shorter back then than they are now.
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Originally Posted by dwmckee
Cool until you mount the wheels and try and figure out how to straighten a carbon frame that was made with the front and rear wheels 2 degrees out of line with each other! We have had a few of these come in to our shop over the past 2 years and still get the "It has Ultegra on it, why can't I get it in tune to ride properly. A high quality frame with Tiagara beats the pants off of a cheap knockoff frame with Ultegra bling hanging on it hands down.

An Ultegra derailleur sells a lot of Bikes Direct bikes at low prices, but you should see the owner's faces when we put the frame gauges on it and show them how far out of line everything is and explain why you cannot tune it properly when the crank and rear wheel axles are not parallel...

It amazes me how many people think teh rear derailleur is eh mark of quality instead of a well made frame and good set of wheels. Frame and wheels are the place to spend money and if thise are good quality you can run beautifully on a Tiagara build.
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Originally Posted by UberIM
Any other carbon framed gravel bikes that take 650b tires?
https://www.diamondback.com/haanjo-5c-exp-carbon-41

https://www.fyxation.com/collections...ture-road-plus

https://www.framedbikes.com/collecti...on-gravel-bike
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I don't really get the talk about reduced 26" tire selection (more so from the other thread. In my locale there are far less 650b options and MEC lists about 24 - 26" tires on their website from slick to knobby, CX, touring, studded winter to gravel compared to about 13 650b tires.
https://www.mec.ca/en/tire-size/26in...s/c/847?page=1
and Compass tire lists 4 different high quality 26" tires. https://www.compasscycle.com/product...tires/26-inch/

If I were on the road away from a major center I would expect it to be far easier to buy a 26 than 650b replacement.

People can get worked up trying to decide on the perfect bike with the perfect components but in the end, unless you are a TdF competitor, the best bike is the one that makes you smile. You have to like it rather than other people liking it. You will be able to shoe what ever horse you decide on.

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Originally Posted by Happy Feet
I don't really get the talk about reduced 26" tire selection .
Because in the USA 26" tire is more or less dead.
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Yeah yeah... you keep saying that like a parrot. Nobody likes a zealot. You made a choice for yur bike - let others make a choice about theirs.
I just posted two links showing 26" tire selection but I know facts get in the way of blind certainty. What I don't get is why you feel the need to disparage a bike wheel size. What do you get out of it?

It's like parachuting into a thread about someone wanting a mixte and repetitively saying don't bother, those frames are dead. Yeah sure, they are less popular than they once were but they are still available and to those who ride them they are enjoyable. Bike ownership isn't a competition in which there is only one "winner".

With the murricle of modern interwebs use I am sure the OP will be able to find tires for whatever size bike they wind up choosing for the next twenty years or so. After that off road penny farthings will be a thing.

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I'm just stating the facts. Bikes sold today are 27.5/650b or 29er/700c

26er is a thing of the past and found on cheap department store bikes these days.
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Originally Posted by prj71
I'm just stating the facts. Bikes sold today are 27.5/650b or 29er/700c

26er is a thing of the past and found on cheap department store bikes these days.
You are correct that new quality 26" is now very rare. But that is not a reason to avoid it IF you find what you like.

Were the OP not set of CF, this 26er is very high end, and would have fit his bill perfectly.....https://co-motion.com/bikes/pangea
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