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Old 12-27-17, 03:32 PM   #101
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My immediate and initial reaction to e-bikes is negative. In fact, very negative.

I can understand an e-bike could possibly help keep some active who otherwise may not be able to do so by the tradition means of pedaling. Okay, I'll buy that.

Personally, I want to keep the drive to push myself to MAKE myself stay in shape to keep climbing these hills, and the only way to do that is to keep pushing myself to keep climbing these hills and pedaling under my own power.
I could see myself becoming lazy with an e-bike and unwilling to work as hard for the gain and stay in shape, with the result being losing the ability or motivation to keep on keeping on. I rather suspect there are many advocates of the e-bike where that is the motivation...get the benefit without having to work quite as hard for it.
<shrug> Not sure that matters to me or not, nor exactly how I feel about it. All I can control is me.

And so, I think I will resort to what the pros do...

DOPING!!

Hallelujah for Caffeine and ibuprofen!!!
A couple tablespoons of honey works for me, but the burst of energy is rather short lived.
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So why were you blocking the trail to the point that folks had to shout at you?
Nice accusatory tone.

That is assuming facts not in evidence. I was not blocking the trail nor did anyone have to shout at me.

I typically ride faster than most on the bike path, and when I pass people, usually call out "bike on your left" and pass them. That is what most do. This particular instance, I was riding side by side a friend I happened to encounter on the way to work, and was riding with her at a much slower pace than I typically ride. There was enough room to ride by us by simply moving over.

The point you are missing is that "ride single file" is the kind of thing you hear all the time from motorists on roadways, as they are going faster than you. It manifests ignorance of the law (there is no requirement for us to ride single file) on their part and an attitude that sharing the road means getting out of their way.

In the case of the bike path, there is likewise no requirement to ride single file, and the ebiker was acting just like other motorists do. This was the one and only time I've ever had someone on a bike path tell me to ride single file, and tellingly, it was by someone on a motorized vehicle.

The other guy? Just an arsehole. He complained about us riding slower than he was, but didn't aver that we should be riding single file. My guess is that we added a fraction of a second to his Strava segment. Oh, the humanity.
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A couple tablespoons of honey works for me, but the burst of energy is rather short lived.
Oh yeah, discovered that too this past season. In one water bottle I put one Nuun tablet and about two big heaping spoons of local raw honey. That stuff is rocket fuel! On any long ride (45+ miles) I carry one bottle of that. But yes, you can actually seem to feel it "wear off".
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Nice accusatory tone.

That is assuming facts not in evidence. I was not blocking the trail nor did anyone have to shout at me.
So you were doubled up on a bike path, riding slowly and not aware that you might be considered a hazard by riders approaching from behind. Ok. That happens. They should have just said "on your left."

What I still don't understand is why you are now claiming that folks didn't shout at you when you previously said they did ("an ebiker would be shouting "single file" to me on the bike path. That happened a couple of weeks ago.
Of course, not 10 minutes later, someone without motor assist did essentially the same thing.")
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So you were doubled up on a bike path, riding slowly and not aware that you might be considered a hazard by riders approaching from behind. Ok. That happens. They should have just said "on your left."

What I still don't understand is why you are now claiming that folks didn't shout at you when you previously said they did ("an ebiker would be shouting "single file" to me on the bike path. That happened a couple of weeks ago.
Of course, not 10 minutes later, someone without motor assist did essentially the same thing.")
I was surely aware that people might want to pass us. It is incumbent upon them to do so safely.

I don't understand your second paragraph. Let me make this clear:

1. I'm usually the one passing others.

2. That day, I was going slower to ride with a friend I encountered, we were riding side by side, but not blocking the path. Even if we were (and since I am typically riding faster, I encounter this daily), the thing to do is say "on your left" and wait until they move over. I've been at this for 35 years, and I can tell you, that's the bike path etiquette. There is no "adequate adjacent pedestrian facility" in the area, so pedestrians are permitted too.

3. On that day, we were passed by an ebike and told to ride "single file."

4. About 10 minutes later, someone on a non-motorized bike passed us. He didn't tell us to ride single file, but complained that we were going too slow.

5. I've never had anyone complaining that I'm riding too slow on the bike path, because I typically ride faster than most other people.

6. I've also never had anyone tell me to ride single file. I did on that day, and it was by someone riding a motorized vehicle.
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I don't understand your second paragraph. Let me make this clear:
Did someone shout at you?
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This should get some of you excited. How about 45-50 mph anyone?

https://outriderusa.com/collections/...products/alpha

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At a club event, I was talking w/ a guy who in an inaugural member- 1964.

He showed me pics of two e bikes that he has built up recently. Said that he can select the amount of power assist,

doesn't ride them all the time, but appreciates the help in the hills.

I think he's earned it.
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Old 12-27-17, 09:27 PM   #110
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Stealth... Nobody would ever suspect you was riding an E-Bike.. http://www.electricbike.com/10-fastest-ebikes/
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Why E-Assist will fail, once E-Bikes catch on... https://electricbike-blog.com/2016/1...thing-awesome/
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This is an E-Assist bike IMO... New Type-Approval for Speed E-Bikes Now Effective - Bike Europe Much more of an "assist" , not as much an moped...
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Old 12-28-17, 08:48 AM   #113
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yeah ... you kind of missed the point.

The question was:


So .. the laws are pretty irrelevant, seeing as we are talking about people who ignore the laws.

See how that works?
You could be talking about a good number of cyclists, based on posts on this web site.

Anyway, electric assist is fine. I may have to use it myself some day. But, what about full time electric vehicles? Lawyers and such make a living from stretching and contorting rules to their benefit. So, it becomes an enforcement issue. Does a 125mph electric Harley fitted with pedals qualify to ride on the Electric Bikes Allowed path?
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How about an e-bike trike? Does it extend that far?
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Old 12-28-17, 10:42 AM   #115
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to TiHabanero (the OP):

Don't "hate to admit" you'll eventually find yourself needing an ebike to meet your cycling wants and desires. Just be glad the option (and many, many styles of ebike) is open for you.

I took that option about 2 years ago when a knee injury (as a result of cycling) caused me to make a decision - Option 1: stop cycling altogether for the year (or more) it would take for the injury to heal, or Option 2: get a bike that would help you out in a pinch when you needed the help while you still enjoyed your bike.

I chose Option 2.

It took a month or so of research to find if the market had what I wanted - a system that was pretty much invisible at all times, never took away from the enjoyment I had of regular cycling (turning the regular pedals on a regular bike), and components that could be removed within minutes if I desired. What was most important was to find something that both protected my knee on hills by taking up the bulk of that burden ONLY when I wanted it to, while not stressing my knee (having to pedal through a mid-drive motor) while riding on normal (flat) surfaces.

I found what I wanted in a company out on the west coast.

1 20 year old vintage bike, 1 new front wheel with a small electric hub motor , a pair of 20 mile lithium batteries, and 5 minutes to put them together - and I had not only embraced change, but I could continue to enjoy cycling, go on the charity rides, ride with the cycling clubs, and never miss a beat while my knee slowly healed.

I could not have done that without the help of my newly converted ebike. I would have had to sit out an entire year. No cycling, no enjoying the open road. No fun charity rides in new and exciting places. None of that would have been possible without the quiet help of that front wheel motor.

And now that the knee is finally healed and I can charge up a hill without worry (or pain), I am back to riding my sweet road bike (after a thorough cleaning to remove the thick layer of dust from a year+ long hiatus of disuse). I am happy to use the road bike for the short club rides. For the upcoming long rides (30-50 miles) this year, however, I will still take the ebike with the silent little motor that no one ever sees, or hears, or even realizes is there. I like the security of knowing it will help me get out of trouble if I need it to do so. Like having a friend along for the ride to give me a bit of extra strength when mine is flagging. And I can cycle along like everyone else and NO ONE knows the difference (unless we are going up a hill. Then eyes widen and faces show wonder)

So...despite the number of people posting here who despise anything polluting a "pure bike", sometimes embracing a change in the type of bike you use is all you might need to spell the difference between being a participator to a sport you love...or being the spectator standing on the sidelines, wishing you were still a part of the fun.
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I say again ... if society (that's US, by the way ... society is The People Living in a Social Arrangement) cannot work how how to survive e-bikes, we are worthless.

Scofflaws? Yeah .... that's new? We still have murderers and thieves too. Somehow we almost all manage to live our lives We went from horses to cars, to very fast cars .... and are heading to self-driving cars, it seems. Anyone who wants to opt out ... I am sure there is a kevorkian site somewhere.

The rest is just fear and angst and people who like to whine for attention.

500 years ago almost everyone walked because the few who had animals needed them for agriculture and pulling carts. Disease was rampant and medicine primitive and superstitious. Food was scarce and "nutrients" ..... forget gels, forget ibuprofen ... sufficient protein was a challenge.

And on top of that rich people could pretty much kill you at will.

Now we whine because one person in a thousand is rude.

it's funny ... I live in the same horrible world as all the rest of you, with its deadly e-bikers, drivers, rude pedestrians .... and I am Way Psyched to be alive. I love being alive and getting up each day to live, even though most days i have to work 11 or 13 hours. I love being able to ride a bike on the days that my schedule and my body allows it. I love the fact that i can share with people from around the world on the internet ... I can well remember the days when the same few thousand people in your immediate vicinity were all the people you would ever know, except for the dead folks in libraries.

I can see pictures of people and things and places I might never get to visit ... and sometimes can plan visits. Twenty-five years ago it was all done with atlases and maps and guesswork ... now I have google maps and can scan each foot of each road if I want.

You folks think that the Possibility that a few hundred thousand people out of a few hundred million might buy e-bikes and "ruin everything"? You have already lost with that crappy attitude. But that's your option. Suffer and kvetch through your miserable lives in what could be the most wonderful world we have ever seen.

Hey ... please don't think I am considering you all lame whiners. I mean, the folks in Puerto Rico who still don't have power and fresh water? They have some real issues.
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Momsonherbike .... what a terrible example she sets, out there literally making the best of things and even making things better. We should all condemn her and her e-bike .... right?

??????

I know I am not that smart, but it seems to my tiny brain that her post is rather a stark contrast to some of the others ..... which do You think represents a better attitude? Can we get a poll?
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If electric motor powered vehicles that are erroneously categorized as non motorized vehicles come attached to successful open heart surgery (I've had 3), then I will just have to except their use and abuse.
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If electric motor powered vehicles that are erroneously categorized as non motorized vehicles come attached to successful open heart surgery (I've had 3), then I will just have to except their use and abuse.
Dude, you don't need an e-bike ... you need a doctor that can do open-heart surgery once and fix everything.

You must be both really sick and really tough.
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If electric motor powered vehicles that are erroneously categorized as non motorized vehicles come attached to successful open heart surgery (I've had 3), then I will just have to except their use and abuse.
I'm guessing you are NOT into embracing any form of assist...? That could prove very unhelpful when you get to that point of needing some, and could ride with some assistance but choose not to ride at all...
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Mr. Maelochs, you can write and write and write about how horrible people are about electric motor bikes, but "No Motorized Vehicles" means no motorized vehicles. Not that hard to understand.

When enough people see 50 MPH bikes and trikes there will be laws written about them along with registration fees etc.
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Mr. Maelochs, you can write and write and write about how horrible people are about electric motor bikes, but "No Motorized Vehicles" means no motorized vehicles. Not that hard to understand.
Keep in mind that, in most states at least, a tricycle is legally defined as being a bicycle.
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I'm guessing you are NOT into embracing any form of assist...? That could prove very unhelpful when you get to that point of needing some, and could ride with some assistance but choose not to ride at all...
I think that if you need a motor on your bike to make it move, you should wear a vest that says either DISABLED or LAZY.

My dad is 83 or 84 and rides his 5 speed step through Breezer ( his hips don't allow him to swing a leg over). He refused to get his knees replaced (surgery sucks). His hips were a mess. Then he misjudged a shadow/curb and broke one hip. Then he got his hip replaced (surgery sucks) and still does his 10 miles a day. When it's windy (he lives in Dallas) he rides on the trainer. When he rides outside, he stays in the neighborhood. While growing up, my friends used to tease me because they would see my dad riding his bike to work--rain or shine--in the snow. His current doctor told him that if he didn't ride his bike, he would have been dead a long time ago(he's got some weird red blood cell thing). Riding a motor assisted bike is like taking pills to lower your cholesterol, loose weight, decrease your anxiety, etc. Any one who rides one is just lazy and I get very worked up when some folks try to convince others that it is just part of getting old.
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I think that if you need a motor on your bike to make it move, you should wear a vest that says either DISABLED or LAZY.

My dad is 83 or 84 and rides his 5 speed step through Breezer ( his hips don't allow him to swing a leg over). He refused to get his knees replaced (surgery sucks). His hips were a mess. Then he misjudged a shadow/curb and broke one hip. Then he got his hip replaced (surgery sucks) and still does his 10 miles a day. When it's windy (he lives in Dallas) he rides on the trainer. When he rides outside, he stays in the neighborhood. While growing up, my friends used to tease me because they would see my dad riding his bike to work--rain or shine--in the snow. His current doctor told him that if he didn't ride his bike, he would have been dead a long time ago(he's got some weird red blood cell thing). Riding a motor assisted bike is like taking pills to lower your cholesterol, loose weight, decrease your anxiety, etc. Any one who rides one is just lazy and I get very worked up when some folks try to convince others that it is just part of getting old.
Okeydokey... I think now, I and everyone else should understands your take on this subject...
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A friend has modified his e-bike to assist to over 40 mph. He said it was easy.
That's exactly what will cause e-bikes to get strictly restricted or banned altogether. Looking at the advertising and reading the forums it's obvious everyone wants a faster e-bike. Our local MUP has a 15mph speed limit. There are the usual bikers that exceed that and now e-bikes are starting to appear and some go much faster. I guess it's the American way. The regional park district that administers the MUP is running a one year trial of allowing e-bikes. I make sure to leave a negative comment every time I see one speeding, which they all do. The only thing electric that belongs on that path is a wheelchair.
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