My IQ? IDK. But I am smart enough to realize I'm not as sharp as I used to be. Try learning to play a musical instrument in one's 50s. Yeah, every 4th grader kicks my butt.

Currently I think mine is about 50+.

I think this thread has legs. But, as noted, only in a creepy way.

He had incentive to leave. You had incentive to stay.

I maxed out all the scores except for the Admin section. I purposely answered a few wrong as I didn't want to push paperwork. The Army said that I could do anything in the Army with those scores. Anything? Dumbazz me? I joined the Air Force.

Makes me think of the friend who went into the Marines in the late 60's, on a two year hitch. At the conclusion of boot camp, the DI's came in and suddenly treated the recruits like real humans, and proceeded to explain that they needed to sign up for two more years to be able to go serve their country and fight in Viet Nam.....he and one other guy were the only ones in the room to not add two more years...

I remember the flood of phone calls after taking the ASVAB and scoring high. Promised the moon. But this was in 1975, at the advent of the all-volunteer army, and all kinds of things were promised. Way more promises than fulfillment, that's for sure. Some days I wish I had gone in, but had I done so it would have been just as a regular old grunt - I knew I wouldn't be disappointed by grandiose promises by recruiters if I did that.

The Rogue Brewing hopyard is only 12 miles from our house. We went out there to celebrate a beautiful day, taking the dogs and just lolling about the farm. My wife is a 1-beer-gal. Well, last nite she had three. Then came home to complete an IQ test online that was required by a prospective employer (once she got to the point of seeing all the hoops they had for prospective employees, her interest had waned, before the beers). I would love to see the score.

That's like the best trial lawyers are the ones who went to a third-rate law school, because the only people that will hire them are small litigation firms, and prosecutors/public defenders.

Grammar and secondary schools don't tell you the IQ results. One day when the teacher was out of the room, and the test folder was on her desk, I peeked.

I was eligible in the late 60's and early 70's. At that point they kept their promises: a rifle and a rice paddy... And, if you had graduated college and were made a lieutenant, then you got bullet too -- either one in the chest or one in the back.

Possibly, but I think it may have more to do with thinkers vs do'ers....

Or, related: the number one complaint my clinical teachers had with me in nursing school was: "George! You Think Too Much!" And that was despite the fact that a critical part of their curriculum was "Critical Thinking"! I guess I just took it to a whole new level...

The first time I heard that complaint was when an instructor was supervising my first time administering a suppository... I guess her message was: "Don't think about it. Just stick it in!!!"

You know, it's funny. Those with high IQs tend to comment in IQ threads while those, ahem, with lesser IQs, tend to disappear into the shadows. Standard IQ tests, however, are naturally weighted according to one's socioeconomic level and culture. As an example, say one of the questions on the test for young folks asks what is common for a cup, a coffee cup. There are 4 possible answers and the correct answer is a 'saucer'. Cup and saucer, no brainer, right? Wrong. Suppose the child taking the test comes from a disadvantaged, read: poor, family and never had saucers. This child would not be able to correlate the two and would be marked down in intelligence. Except for the fact that this would only be a statistically anomaly, not a true indications of the individual's intelligence.

I've seen I.Q. defined as the measure of one's ability to do well on I.Q. tests. That about sums it up IMHO.

I really don't have any problem with saying I am not really sharp/smart/intelligent (you can choose you adjective) or anything else about the subject. I made peace about this a long time ago, what can I ever do about some number from a test. I got angry when the HS teachers would say things about me in front of the class all the time but all I got from that was a headache. I decided that I would do the best I could with my abilities, study very hard, read everything I could get my greasy hands on (I was always working on a motocrosser or my old car) and go from there. The Marines were the second best thing that ever happened to me, my wife is the first, always and forever. The USMC taught me I could do whatever I had to, to be proud that I could do that every time and to be organized at all times, attention to detail is the watchword for me. It has worked well so far to accept things and do the best I can.

George, don't feel as if you are getting the wool pulled over your eyes by me, not going to happen from me, ever. And, I don't even play cards either. I am just fully at peace with myself and where I am at now. Dealing with surgeries and the renal failure is my biggest thing to fight, bicycling helps me deal with this and to relax me, 50+ is the place I can come and be accepted for who I am, not what I pretend to be.

Bill

Chances are, those tests you took in school were actually achievement tests. Certainly that's true of the classroom testing, as IQ tests tend to be administered individually. And yes, the norming populations are skewed: norming, particularly in the '50s and '60s and likely into the '70s, was done on students in university lab schools (often professors' kids), private schools, and the public schools in the "nicer" neighborhoods.

During some evaluations, I was given the WAIS-R (Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale-Revised). The results: 99th percentile, which means I outperformed 99% of the norming population. What does it prove? That I did well on the subtests. Its bearing on my current reality? None whatsoever.

I understand your point -- but it DID give you braggin' rights!

Plus, part of intelligence is simply the confidence to know that you can figure it out. You should have that confidence which should make you even smarter!

My test scores were so high and my grades were so low that one school counselor demanded to know how I had managed to cheat on the tests. Another concluded that I was simply "test wise".

Not as high as I would like it to be, but a lot higher than some people would give me credit for.

When my oldest daughter was in the first grade she could show her teachers how to trouble shoot the computers, was doing math at a 6th grade level, and was also socially well adjusted and an otherwise normal 6 year old who just preferred to hang out with adults.

She struggled with reading and writing and went through a long series of medical and psychological testing to determine why this otherwise brilliant child was so far behind her peers.

I discovered that she simply was not hooked on phonics and that the teaching style was not working for a girl with a photographic memory and highly developed visual processing skills. I developed a teaching program for her that took her from where she was to a high school reading level in a matter of months.

When the test results came back we were told that aside from the issues with reading and writing (she had a massive vocabulary) that she would always struggle with finding peers as she tested off the scale. They said it was like talking with a young adult in the body of a very small girl. By this time I was able to tell the evaluator that she had already caught up and surpassed her peers in reading and writing.

Statistically, she is considered to be 1:2000.

Most important for me was instilling a strong work and study ethic as I understood all too well what it was like to go through school and find that there just wasn't any academic challenge and that it can make one very lazy.

My oldest daughter told me that her little sister is way smarter than she is... The little one does algebra for fun and can multiply 3 digit numbers in her head and has an incredible work ethic and drive to excel in school because it is serious business to her but she says nothing is really that hard.

I went through many of the same things my daughters did when I was younger... Have told them that all the brains in the world are no good unless you learn how to apply what you have learned and that ordinary people excel because of this while some of the smartest people struggle and fail.

I am smart enough to have married my wife and can usually keep up with her and those kids...

Amazing when you consider how hard I worked to kill as many brain cells as possible in my 20's and early 30's.

I may be stupid, but... Why didn't this thread get either moved or locked immediately by the mods? Zero bike content and zero "physical infirmity" exemption content (to me, any physical ailment that affects cycling at 50+ has the most fundamental of cycling content).

Does this mean that anything can be posted in 50+? Can I post about my cat? No, I don't have a cat, but I was thinking about getting one. Maybe. Stupid cats.

Oops! The timer just went off and I have to see how the hot tub is filling is going. Can I post about my hot tub?

Help me here. I'm really struggling with what is and what is not a valid thread or comment.

Well I think it's partly about how we may get dumber as we get older which makes it a 50+ topic. Although I don't believe it's necessarily true I do feel less adept in some of my mental functions. I think however that it's more about becoming set in patterns of thought and degradation through disuse of other thought processes, and less about IQ or other innate capabilities.

Anything you like to discuss can go in Pub 51. Except P&R type stuff of course,

I am a twin (fraternal, not identical). My fellow students and I took an IQ test in the seventh grade. Our teacher called my twin brother and me up to her desk to tell us: (1) we tested really high (but she didn't give us our score), and (2) we received the exact same score on the test.

+1, out of all the replies in this thread only one person had any grief with the topic and no one griped that I heard about. If you don't want to read the thread don't click on the link. Simple, straight forward and easy to use.

Bill

I actually found this stuff really interesting.

I know this is self-selecting and probably BS, but I'll say it anyway: As a group, I've found serious cyclists of older age to be of higher intellectual caliber than the average person. Maybe it's a statistical anomaly ... I dunno.

What I'm reading here kinda confirms it. And as noted, it's not all noodle salad. Sometimes, having a high IQ isn't what it's cracked up to be.

If I were someone looking to do a PhD thesis, I'd have found my topic.

It led to a passing reference (get it? Get it? Aw never mind) to my massive muscular pillar-like and possibly bionic legs of fury and death, which of course has relevance to cycling, babes, and humiliation of any beta male who tries to pee on my lawn.

All that and with an IQ possibly in the low 80's.

As I've said, the thread is vaguely creepy but there is no reason to move it.

And isn't it said that racing is like a chess match, only that you don't typically blow chow during a chess match.