Classic BF debates.
10-17-17 | 12:23 PM
#101
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10-17-17 | 12:51 PM
#105
Facts just confuse people
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I'm really glad this thread has been put up. Now I can compose a list of thoughtful answers in advance to these important issues. Then, when a question comes up I'll be able to copy and paste the reply. I anticipate this will add many months to my effective live life span.
10-17-17 | 12:55 PM
#107
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10-17-17 | 01:00 PM
#108
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In answer to the question, "What is a cyclist" This has been answered most eloquently here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47cGzu6-q40
10-17-17 | 01:16 PM
#109
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Snort. Even I know the answer to that. In your sword hand, aimed chest high to your opponent, with your arm angled to where you can get best leverage and strongest muscles in play to hit your opponent with enough force to break the ribs and damage the heart and lungs behind them.
Or are you talking sheathed?
(And I watch way too much Forged in Fire.)
Or are you talking sheathed?
(And I watch way too much Forged in Fire.)
10-17-17 | 01:39 PM
#111
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From: Alpharetta, GA
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Has no one mentioned:
platform pedals vs clipless?
is a fixed gear faster that geared bikes?
Size of contact patch - rolling resistance
How much power does "off-loading to the heart" gain you?
Does "going fast" matter if you don't race, and the lemma:
Does "going fast" win road races, and if not does it matter in road races, and its corollary:
Does "going fast" ever matter?
Can you be car-free if you ever hitch a ride?
Can you be Car-light if you don't own one?
Do "cars" hate us for running red lights, or is it the other way around?
Does a springy frame "return" the flex energy back to forward speed?
Can you steer a bike without counter-steering?
If you can balance on a unicycle, is that same position right for a bicycle?
platform pedals vs clipless?
is a fixed gear faster that geared bikes?
Size of contact patch - rolling resistance
How much power does "off-loading to the heart" gain you?
Does "going fast" matter if you don't race, and the lemma:
Does "going fast" win road races, and if not does it matter in road races, and its corollary:
Does "going fast" ever matter?
Can you be car-free if you ever hitch a ride?
Can you be Car-light if you don't own one?
Do "cars" hate us for running red lights, or is it the other way around?
Does a springy frame "return" the flex energy back to forward speed?
Can you steer a bike without counter-steering?
If you can balance on a unicycle, is that same position right for a bicycle?
10-17-17 | 03:14 PM
#113
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From: Western NC mountains
Bikes: Trek Domane gen 5, Marin Gestalt X10, Diamondback Century 3. Marin Four Corners
my back hurts when I ride........... get a recumbant
my arms hurt when I ride.............get a recubent
my butt hurts, what is a good saddle...........get a recumbunt
my prostrate is enlarged....................get a recumburnt
what is causing all these earthquakes.............get a recurvbent
how do we solve the national debt................get a recumfart
what is your average speed riding............get a reckurmbart
But I want to ride a traditional bike.........idiot....
BTW, I don't own one, don't want one, don't even know how to spell one.
my arms hurt when I ride.............get a recubent
my butt hurts, what is a good saddle...........get a recumbunt
my prostrate is enlarged....................get a recumburnt
what is causing all these earthquakes.............get a recurvbent
how do we solve the national debt................get a recumfart
what is your average speed riding............get a reckurmbart
But I want to ride a traditional bike.........idiot....
BTW, I don't own one, don't want one, don't even know how to spell one.
10-17-17 | 03:43 PM
#114
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From: northern Deep South
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I'm really glad this thread has been put up. Now I can compose a list of thoughtful answers in advance to these important issues. Then, when a question comes up I'll be able to copy and paste the reply. I anticipate this will add many months to my effective live life span.
Well, it may seem that way. You'll be able to post your pre-packaged answers and go ride a bike more.
(Unlike some posters, please read the fine question first!)
10-17-17 | 04:39 PM
#117
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10-17-17 | 04:57 PM
#120
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I'm even worse -- I'm a trackie who really only rides my road and mountain bikes to lose weight -- lots of Zone 2 riding (zone 2 is anything around 130 bpm heart rate --- most would call this a "leisurely pace" )
-- my real workouts happen on the track bike or in the gym
That said, I don't particularly feel a need to "kit up" just to ride my road bike around the local lake roads at 14 mph or trundle along in the woods on my MTB at 6 or 7 mph --
I do just as well in baggy cargo shorts (with a chamois liner) and a t shirt for that type of riding --- yes, I have a HR monitor, but passersby would never know its not just an ordinary digital casio watch
So I am an overweight , but still aggro, trackie who prefers to disguise himself as a Fred. -
10-17-17 | 07:58 PM
#123
on your lawn
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From: Minneapolis, MN
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Snort. Even I know the answer to that. In your sword hand, aimed chest high to your opponent, with your arm angled to where you can get best leverage and strongest muscles in play to hit your opponent with enough force to break the ribs and damage the heart and lungs behind them.
Or are you talking sheathed?
(And I watch way too much Forged in Fire.)
Or are you talking sheathed?
(And I watch way too much Forged in Fire.)
There is no such thing as "too much Forged in Fire".
10-17-17 | 08:02 PM
#124
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From: Madison, WI
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sometimes the actual topic and discussion is good but the title of the thread is something like:
"need help"
"what to do?"
"christmas present"
"need help"
"what to do?"
"christmas present"
10-17-17 | 08:38 PM
#125
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From: Oakville Ontario
Fred is a multifaceted term. To people who consider themselves to be "elite," it is a put-down---a "Fred" doesn't wear expensive cycling clothes and shoes (or not the right brands) and rides slowly sometimes ... not killing himself/herself all the time in order to brag about Strava segments.
"Fred" is what cyclists who are self-important, self-absorbed, and insecure call riders who just ride their bikes and don't bother to worry what "elite" cyclists think.
Cyclists ridiculous enough to call themselves "Serious Cyclists" look down on anybody who doesn't measure power, doesn't divide their rides into segments at different heart rates, and doesn't pretend to want to race, and "Serious Cyclists' call those people "Fred."
"Freds," on the other hand know we often look ridiculous, in cycling kit or in Bermuda shorts and sandals with black socks and a baggy t-shirt. Freds know we are slow, even compared to other Freds. We know we will likely never be even close to "winning" a Strava segment ... and don't have Strava anyway. We know we lack the competitive drive to ride a bicycle so hard that it hurts, and we don't want to measure the "success" of our rides by how long we could endure the most severe pain.
Many Freds even use their bikes to ... brace yourself, this is ugly ... Get Groceries.
Freds are slow. Freds often look awkward or silly. Freds often don't ride hard. Freds actually use phrases like "smiles per mile" to describe rides. Freds might even get off the bike and take Pictures, instead of riding really hard with such exhaustion-induced tunnel vision that they cannot even see the scenery.
Freds are the Happy Losers of the cycling world. Freds are the riders who can see a bunch of riders killing themselves pushing to the limit and be happy for them ... without having the slightest urge to join them. And when a Fred does decide to push his or her limits .... it is something done purely for personal satisfaction, and might not ever be mentioned to anyone ... whereas a "Serious Cyclist" has to tell everyone about the news levels of suffering s/he was able to endure.
Riding my bike because I like riding my bike makes me a True Fred. Riding slowly, over short distances, and buying groceries make me a sort of ultra-Fred. Beign fat and slow and happy and not being "smart" enough to realize what a disgrace I am to cycling makes me an ultra-uber Superfred.
If I am a dork but I am a happy dork happily riding my bicycle ... I win.
See how dumb I am? What a Fred!
"Fred" is what cyclists who are self-important, self-absorbed, and insecure call riders who just ride their bikes and don't bother to worry what "elite" cyclists think.
Cyclists ridiculous enough to call themselves "Serious Cyclists" look down on anybody who doesn't measure power, doesn't divide their rides into segments at different heart rates, and doesn't pretend to want to race, and "Serious Cyclists' call those people "Fred."
"Freds," on the other hand know we often look ridiculous, in cycling kit or in Bermuda shorts and sandals with black socks and a baggy t-shirt. Freds know we are slow, even compared to other Freds. We know we will likely never be even close to "winning" a Strava segment ... and don't have Strava anyway. We know we lack the competitive drive to ride a bicycle so hard that it hurts, and we don't want to measure the "success" of our rides by how long we could endure the most severe pain.
Many Freds even use their bikes to ... brace yourself, this is ugly ... Get Groceries.
Freds are slow. Freds often look awkward or silly. Freds often don't ride hard. Freds actually use phrases like "smiles per mile" to describe rides. Freds might even get off the bike and take Pictures, instead of riding really hard with such exhaustion-induced tunnel vision that they cannot even see the scenery.
Freds are the Happy Losers of the cycling world. Freds are the riders who can see a bunch of riders killing themselves pushing to the limit and be happy for them ... without having the slightest urge to join them. And when a Fred does decide to push his or her limits .... it is something done purely for personal satisfaction, and might not ever be mentioned to anyone ... whereas a "Serious Cyclist" has to tell everyone about the news levels of suffering s/he was able to endure.
Riding my bike because I like riding my bike makes me a True Fred. Riding slowly, over short distances, and buying groceries make me a sort of ultra-Fred. Beign fat and slow and happy and not being "smart" enough to realize what a disgrace I am to cycling makes me an ultra-uber Superfred.
If I am a dork but I am a happy dork happily riding my bicycle ... I win.
See how dumb I am? What a Fred!
