Exactly - bike setup is highly dependent on where/how one rides. Where I am, pinch flats are big. Not having to deal with those all the time, or have to run DH tubes or tires and take the weight and rolling resistance penalty so created is well worth the slightly greater setup headache of tubeless for me.

If living somewhere without all the chunky and sharp rocks, I'd likely not be doing tubeless.

As to why some people who ride place where it may be a benefit don't feel the need to swap? No idea. People fear change. It is annoying though, when the same guys get flat after flat after flat.

true

Yes. True. That's the point of this thread.

And someone up there mentioned tubular. That's an easy one for me it's very expensive.

Yes, but "it" is not what you think it is.

No I understood what you were getting at, I just chose to ignore yet another personal attack.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

One could argue everything is expensive. High quality tubeless/non-tubeless clincher tires can cost as much as tubular. My training tubulars cost me $18 each - that's cheaper than my training clincher tires (the cheapest tires I've bought for mtb or road clincher were $30).

Bottom line, it is a personal choice. However, I agree if I lived in an area like yours where it sounds like tubeless because of obstacles/hazards is the way to go, I know I'd make the switch. I just don't have the need.

Don't bring that road bike crap over here.




Just joshin. I actually won a really nice set of Zipp tubular tires in a race last year. I was close to using them but decided not to. I'm planning on giving it a shot one day.

Very much looking forward to learning. Then I will be able to run any rim that I like. I see a whole new world to explore.

All I can think of here is training wheels

Y'all should be running MTB sewups! Everyone running clinchers is a chump!

Seriously though, OP, if you're really worried about ride delays and not just bent outta shape that they're not drinking the same Kool-Aid as you then try getting some Mr. Tuffies in their tires. Only $15 and should decrease flat-caused delays significantly.

I'm referring to the rims...

Ok, question: Don't you have to glue on those sew-up tires? Or are they peel-and-stick? I had thought there was an involved, gluing process. Maybe I'm wrong.

What are the ride characteristics like? What difference would I notice from going to sew-ups?

You can tape or glue. I glue mine. Carry a pre-glued spare in the seatbag. Quicker and easier to change sewup than a tube. After a change you can't go all out in the corners though as a newly mounted tire takes a few hours for the glue to cure.

They are pretty dang plush, although nicer clinchers these days ride just about as well. They're more resistant to snake bites also.

I only use 'em on the road, though. I was joshin' about the Saguaros.

So the pre-glued tire doesn't stick to itself? If you can peel off the old tire, then is it possible for riding forces to also push or pull a tire and make it come unglued?

Sorry. I don't mean to hijack the thread. These are just interesting questions that come to mind.

No problem I don't take it as hijacking. I like learning new things.

I think tread pattern would prohibit me from enjoying those.

Tubular glue is very much like rubber cement. You apply it to both surfaces and let them dry. Then the two glued surfaces will stick to each other, but still be removable with a reasonable amount of pulling.

This thread went from crap to ghey.

For what it's worth, I had never heard of MTB sewups before. I feel all edumacated now. And a little dirty.

I get it.

Tubeless tires are like turbochargers. They're advantageous in every way if installed (& with turbo's, also tuned) properly, but people turn them away for several reasons, including but not limited to:
-the effort required in converting
-the mechanical know-how involved in the conversion
-the money involved in a conversion (if you don't have a tubeless-compatible rim set already/a motor that can handle a turbo, if we're still sticking to the analogy)
-the possibility of screwing it up, not knowing why, & being stranded on the trail with no tubes because you thought you wouldn't need them
-the added difficulty of swapping tires if you get a tear/puncture too big for the sealant to fill

And last but not least, many people turn them away because of sheer ignorance.

Sorry if someone mentioned these points already, I haven't fully committed to reading through the likely *****-fight between the OP & the guy who called him a ******bag.

I disagree. This is a 2D view that applies to XC.

There are also more valid reasons like I suggested. I don't weigh a buck'sixty like the scrub. Another fourty pounds makes for a burp prone setup...especially on things like stairs. (excuse my general estimation of your in'shaped'ness Scrub)

I think you're doing a fine job on your build man, but just one year ago you were trying to score two archaic front specific tires for both ends of your ride followed by trying to nab an 11y.o. Super8 for XC. I don't wanna burn you, but your contribution to this topic may lack a little bit of weight.

I was tubeless on the DH bike all season last year, I'm heavier than you (assuming you're 200 based on your math) and I didn't have any issues with burping. A couple other guys I ride with, all tubeless and over 200 didn't have any burping issues on the DH bikes. The only one I can recall was when one buddy was running way to little air pressure (in the 20psi range) after letting some air out during a run (got a little overzealous).

I handled it like an adult, thank you.

I'd say fixed, but uhh...yeah.

And you're right, I was wrong to say tubeless is better in every way--there are instances when it could be argued that tubes are better. Though I still feel like someone (whose opinion carries more weight than mine) could come in & state examples of using tubeless in instances when you claim tubes are advantageous, without having any problems.

Seriously though, if tubes are better in extreme conditions, why don't cars, trucks, dirt bikes, motorcycles, or any other motor vehicles (regardless of use) use them? Alright, I can see why street vehicles might not, but dirt bikes are as versatile as mountain bikes & are used in a lot of the same kinds of terrain, & they're all still going tubeless. If I were to go to some dirt bike forums, would I find threads with people arguing the advantages of tubes? Educate me.