Tour de France Stage 10; Saint-Gildas-Des-Bois to Saint Malo
07-09-13, 05:28 PM
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Veelers's wheels came up and off the road. This was no "bump". I doubt Cavendish intended to take him out that way, in fact he seemed just as surprised as Veelers. But it definitely should have been a relegation per the rules. It amazes me that Sagan managed to avoid getting taken out too, that guy has some crazy bike handling skills.
07-09-13, 05:51 PM
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07-09-13, 05:58 PM
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If you look at the videos from the top and from the front, cav had enough room to continue in the right line (looking from the top), for some idiotic reason I cant imagine he just cut to the opposite line and clearly the other guy was there. Impossible for him not know what he was going to do (stop and move to the side) cav is not an amateur, second thing is that if you look the sprint from the front for me looks more like he was frustrated and just bumped the other riders elbow at purpose, just look at the movement he does... to me clearly he bumped the other guy, from the top camera is not visible but from the front it is super clear, no necesity for him to cut to the other side aswell you know.
IMO he was frustrated because he was going to lose the sprint and since sagan was at the other side he just bump the guy just enough to move him against sagan and force sagan to stop, sadly the guy had an accident...
If the teams react to this probably cav wont win even a bubble gum in the next sprints.
IMO he was frustrated because he was going to lose the sprint and since sagan was at the other side he just bump the guy just enough to move him against sagan and force sagan to stop, sadly the guy had an accident...
If the teams react to this probably cav wont win even a bubble gum in the next sprints.
07-09-13, 09:05 PM
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I say 50/50. I saw Veelers move left just a bit, out of Cav's line, so Cav begin to accelerate to find the next wheel. As he started moving past Veelers, Veelers wiggled right...not much but enough to pose a threat to Cav. What I saw next was Cav really lean into the contact that was inevitable. It looked like Cav's should hit Veeler's elbow, which is much different than if he had hit his shoulder.
Watch the overhead view. Veelers is a foot or so to the left of the white center line. Cavendish' front wheel is to the right of Veelers' back wheel. Veelers drifts a bit to the right, across the white line, to perhaps a foot to the right of the white center line. Cavendish meanwhile is going much faster and moving left. Collision ensues between the faster and slower objects.
07-10-13, 12:36 AM
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Watching the overhead shot of the last km again it seems clear to me that Veelers (the Argos leadout guy) knew exactly where Cav was and tried to block him slightly. Veelers went left, saw where Cav was and then drifted right. Not egregiously, just choosing to fade in the direction Cav happened to be. Cav reacted, or overreacted, with a hard shoulder bump.
I don't know if he tried to block Cav (a lil bit) or not, but I did see Veelers move left then right.
Cav is an ass -- never really cared for him -- and I was hoping he was in the wrong here, but I don't think he is.
His explanation of what happened seems about right to me.
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07-10-13, 06:43 AM
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the front view replay I saw twice last night showed a pretty pissed of face on Cavendish. it was a left turning curve so going right was not a great choice for MC, but that's the side of the wheel he was on. I was very impressed by the interviews of both men. they know sh*t happens
in watching the aerial replay here:https://www.sbnation.com/cycling/2013...-marcel-kittel
it seems more like MC saw Veelers heading toward him, and leaning in I think was a defensive move to keep himself upright.
in watching the aerial replay here:https://www.sbnation.com/cycling/2013...-marcel-kittel
it seems more like MC saw Veelers heading toward him, and leaning in I think was a defensive move to keep himself upright.
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