DC Pirates' Pillages and Plunders
#3426
Craig A. Lebowitz
Joined: Oct 2004
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From: Washington, DC
Bikes: 1984 Trek 520 | 2002 Specialized Hardrock
Originally Posted by kingpinjoel
Photons, I'm glad you liked the pix.
Lebowitz, your frame will make a perfect conversion. You would break a chain before you could pull your axle loose if you have your axle nuts properly tightened.
Lebowitz, your frame will make a perfect conversion. You would break a chain before you could pull your axle loose if you have your axle nuts properly tightened.
#3428
I wear long pants
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: D*C*
Bikes: Schwinn Mesa GSX (with "road" tires)
What I learned from the movie:
Don't build spherical prison cells
Giant sea creatures only attack ships and not people floating in the water
Falling from a great height won't kill you as long as you fall through something on the way down
On an unlrelated note, I expressed an availability for the pillage this Wednesday. However, as usual I did so without complete knowlege of my calendar and as a result I remembered not to many minutes ago that DC United plays Celtic this coming Wednesday. So, I will not be able to pillage.
Don't build spherical prison cells
Giant sea creatures only attack ships and not people floating in the water
Falling from a great height won't kill you as long as you fall through something on the way down
On an unlrelated note, I expressed an availability for the pillage this Wednesday. However, as usual I did so without complete knowlege of my calendar and as a result I remembered not to many minutes ago that DC United plays Celtic this coming Wednesday. So, I will not be able to pillage.
Last edited by wolverine_95; 07-10-06 at 08:53 AM.
#3430
Bring it on... I have a camera and a bike by which to travel with... My legs are a little sore from friday though... Critical Mass on an uncomfortable tall bike and then sprinting up Porter past the party all the way to Wisconson on my fixie has left me a little worse for the wear... After the party I rode all the way to the Red and the Black down on H st NE for some reason that is still unknown to me... Oh, the things we do when drunk...
#3432
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Fuji
Though bike looks suitable for conversion but it maybe not in the ways you think.
Fuji is a rented brand name that is applied to various bikes, others are schwinn, raleigh.
That looks like paint, not powdercoat.
The cranks look like they have steel rings, painted black. Probably early nineties.
ex-messenger is not the pedigree it sounds like. I would trust him less for that, rather than more.
Thankfully the messengers you get to meet are mostly part of the messenger community in DC which happens to be made up of nice folks. They are just people wit the job and like cops, are as varied as anyone else.
I am puzzled by the cult of the messenger.
However.
The bike looks suitable for conversion, get parts at chain reaction or from my stash. BUY a back wheel, keep your front brake and use an easy gear. DC SOP is 46x18.
It will likely be a great ride, steel, tange probably. Long dropouts, you can even cut the anger off, though I would say leave it. It doen't get in the way and will let you be modular.
Tough, strong, responsive and much easier on you, especially with thin tires.
Fuji is a rented brand name that is applied to various bikes, others are schwinn, raleigh.
That looks like paint, not powdercoat.
The cranks look like they have steel rings, painted black. Probably early nineties.
ex-messenger is not the pedigree it sounds like. I would trust him less for that, rather than more.
Thankfully the messengers you get to meet are mostly part of the messenger community in DC which happens to be made up of nice folks. They are just people wit the job and like cops, are as varied as anyone else.
I am puzzled by the cult of the messenger.
However.
The bike looks suitable for conversion, get parts at chain reaction or from my stash. BUY a back wheel, keep your front brake and use an easy gear. DC SOP is 46x18.
It will likely be a great ride, steel, tange probably. Long dropouts, you can even cut the anger off, though I would say leave it. It doen't get in the way and will let you be modular.
Tough, strong, responsive and much easier on you, especially with thin tires.
#3434
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I am with baldylocks on CM. It was weird. Perfect weather, good turnout, lots of energy for riding. But too much attitude and less of an attitude of fun. It was too quiet, directionless, confrontational, too much spreading out. What can we do differently next time?
costumes,
more freak bikes,
ride marshals (informal of course) but some up front to guide and some in back to help stragglers.
a plan?
more boombox mike
more boomboxes in general...We can que them up and make quite a scene especially if we are having fun with it. I am listening to my "crocketts theme" from Miami vice right now and thinking how cool that would sound coming out of twenty boomboxes as we pedal slowly along.
It is a parade, so if we roll loud, don't fight the lights unecessarily, and stay in a pack we can be safe and make a scene.
what route would make the most impact and still be good for driving?
Racing, showing off, looking for a fight etc. can all be counterproductive.
When I was a party planner I noticed that costume parties made everyone feel a little silly and thus they relaxed and had more fun. Ego's were quieted and a sense of group fun increased.
I suggest that model for CM. Don't roll out with attitude, don't dress to be cool. Dress to be a spectacle.
Welders caps (bright polka dots) used to be the hot messenger cap. I want to bring that back. We can buy them cheap and sell them at cost at CM.
that sort of thing, bright colors, music, your silliest rides, flags, etc.
The point of CM is to assert our rights and recruit. But often assertion is used to condone revenge and bullying. Recruiting is rarely sucessful when CM alienates other cyclists and inspires hate in drivers.
The circulator driver in georgetown is the best example of what we can get from drivers. smiling honking, laughing, amused rather than annoyed. Second best is the driver who is stuck in traffic and sees the circus go by andwishes he could be out there in stead of stuck in his car...
"live free or drive"
costumes,
more freak bikes,
ride marshals (informal of course) but some up front to guide and some in back to help stragglers.
a plan?
more boombox mike
more boomboxes in general...We can que them up and make quite a scene especially if we are having fun with it. I am listening to my "crocketts theme" from Miami vice right now and thinking how cool that would sound coming out of twenty boomboxes as we pedal slowly along.
It is a parade, so if we roll loud, don't fight the lights unecessarily, and stay in a pack we can be safe and make a scene.
what route would make the most impact and still be good for driving?
Racing, showing off, looking for a fight etc. can all be counterproductive.
When I was a party planner I noticed that costume parties made everyone feel a little silly and thus they relaxed and had more fun. Ego's were quieted and a sense of group fun increased.
I suggest that model for CM. Don't roll out with attitude, don't dress to be cool. Dress to be a spectacle.
Welders caps (bright polka dots) used to be the hot messenger cap. I want to bring that back. We can buy them cheap and sell them at cost at CM.
that sort of thing, bright colors, music, your silliest rides, flags, etc.
The point of CM is to assert our rights and recruit. But often assertion is used to condone revenge and bullying. Recruiting is rarely sucessful when CM alienates other cyclists and inspires hate in drivers.
The circulator driver in georgetown is the best example of what we can get from drivers. smiling honking, laughing, amused rather than annoyed. Second best is the driver who is stuck in traffic and sees the circus go by andwishes he could be out there in stead of stuck in his car...
"live free or drive"
#3435
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Joined: Jul 2005
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operator isn't qualified to criticize.
Chris is right but conservative. That is the standard line at shops. And it ISN"T because folks want to sell track frames.
(I see this all the time, "the shop told me not to do something stupid because they want to sell me something") shop employees do not give a **** about that kind of thing.
They sell thousand of boring bikes, if you are into riding and making a fixed gear you are so far in the minority as to be special. And thus they don't want you to die. They are protecting you from dying, because they wanto tyou to be around. It isn't sales, its love.
The biggest dangers are in going brakeless and having inadequate transmission components to deal with the stresses. cogs, rings, chains, rear hub, locknut.
keep the brake,
use mtn cranks 170mm and a salsa heavy ring from QBP (any bike shop can order this stuff).
Use a formula rear hub. You could use a road hub if there is room for a lockring and a good cog, but there rarely is.
get a wipperman BMX chain ($12).
Yeah, in short, baldy and me can help out.
Chris is right but conservative. That is the standard line at shops. And it ISN"T because folks want to sell track frames.
(I see this all the time, "the shop told me not to do something stupid because they want to sell me something") shop employees do not give a **** about that kind of thing.
They sell thousand of boring bikes, if you are into riding and making a fixed gear you are so far in the minority as to be special. And thus they don't want you to die. They are protecting you from dying, because they wanto tyou to be around. It isn't sales, its love.
The biggest dangers are in going brakeless and having inadequate transmission components to deal with the stresses. cogs, rings, chains, rear hub, locknut.
keep the brake,
use mtn cranks 170mm and a salsa heavy ring from QBP (any bike shop can order this stuff).
Use a formula rear hub. You could use a road hub if there is room for a lockring and a good cog, but there rarely is.
get a wipperman BMX chain ($12).
Yeah, in short, baldy and me can help out.
#3436
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OK time to work,
end of the long posts...
I am teaching a basic bike repair and adjustment class at citybikes every thursday evening at 6:30. Come along, bring friends, etc. Everyone should take this class.
I may also start teaching some more advanced classes later on if anyone is interested. Local enthusiasts should be a lot easier than cops and teenagers.
Get in touch with me if you are interested.
end of the long posts...
I am teaching a basic bike repair and adjustment class at citybikes every thursday evening at 6:30. Come along, bring friends, etc. Everyone should take this class.
I may also start teaching some more advanced classes later on if anyone is interested. Local enthusiasts should be a lot easier than cops and teenagers.
Get in touch with me if you are interested.
#3437
dutret has a posse
Joined: Jul 2006
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From: washington dc
Bikes: IRO Angus 53, Marinoni Special 54, LMNO Custom Road Bike, Guerciotti TT, Late 60s Bottechia Road, Univega Via Montega beater/polo/rain bike.
Originally Posted by RedDeMartini
Welders caps (bright polka dots) used to be the hot messenger cap. I want to bring that back. We can buy them cheap and sell them at cost at CM.
that sort of thing, bright colors, music, your silliest rides, flags, etc.
"live free or drive"
that sort of thing, bright colors, music, your silliest rides, flags, etc.
"live free or drive"
Also, I have a 4'x5' Jolly Roger that I wanted to fly at this CM, but just moving to the area and having read that there was a group that calls themself the DC Pirates I decided I didnt want to because I didn't know if you were friendly or would have given me **** for thinking I was trying to be you. I can bring it out next month if you guys would like. A 4 foot by 5 foot pirate flag coming down in a herd of cyclists with boomboxes and polka dot caps... talk about a spectacle...
#3438
dutret has a posse
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From: washington dc
Bikes: IRO Angus 53, Marinoni Special 54, LMNO Custom Road Bike, Guerciotti TT, Late 60s Bottechia Road, Univega Via Montega beater/polo/rain bike.
that class sounds like a good opporotunity for me to be putting together an everyday bike for commuting to work. one that i wont be really really really bummed when it starts to rain and i have to look out the window and see my bike looking up with those sad 'let me in' puppy dog eyes.
Last edited by ryand; 07-10-06 at 10:20 AM.
#3439
i am sure that i hate you
Joined: Aug 2005
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From: 703
Bikes: 'Cha-ruzu Fosuta Orusan Kein' Fuji Track (2005), Schwinn Tank MTB (?), Fuji Royale (1979)
dont try and be me, it doesnt work. 
edit: i would say the DC Street Pirates are not Critical Mass, and Critical Mass is not the Pirates. while a lot of us ride in both and recruitment has gone both ways, they are not at all the same and shouldnt be thought of as the same. please respect that and be careful trying to speak on behalf of either group. if you think they are the same, fell free to explain why.

edit: i would say the DC Street Pirates are not Critical Mass, and Critical Mass is not the Pirates. while a lot of us ride in both and recruitment has gone both ways, they are not at all the same and shouldnt be thought of as the same. please respect that and be careful trying to speak on behalf of either group. if you think they are the same, fell free to explain why.
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#3440
MADE IN HONG KONG
Joined: Aug 2005
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From: Washington DC
Bikes: some but not enough
Originally Posted by lebowitz
Thanks I am going to get a wheelset next month when I have money. I think the only part I'll need help with is adjusting the hub and then tensioning the chain. I would provide the beer and stuff if someone wanted to help me wrench. I've got a stand and tools, just not the ones necessary for hub adjustment.
#3441
Craig A. Lebowitz
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 372
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From: Washington, DC
Bikes: 1984 Trek 520 | 2002 Specialized Hardrock
Originally Posted by poopncow
Nothing wrong with cups and cones (I have some), but a cartridge bearing hub is so much easier to live with. depending on the hubs you select, there may be some spacing of the "over locknut" spcing required. straight forward stuff.
"300mi on Suzue MaxPro hubs (rear is flip-flop), Mavic CXP 21 rims, 36 straight guage spokes. Seller throwing in 15T and 17T gear."
The only thing that concerns me is that this track wheelset has 120mm spacing and currently my dropouts are spaced at 125mm, but seem to be able to move between 120 and 130. Before I was using 130mm on my old wheels.
All I will need is the chain, 1" threaded quill stem, a U brake for the front and a brake lever. The handlebars I have around.
Last edited by lebowitz; 07-10-06 at 04:06 PM.
#3442
MADE IN HONG KONG
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From: Washington DC
Bikes: some but not enough
Some 2 mm & or 3 mm wheel axle spacers, and 20 mins of tweaking and you are in business with the wheel. Adding the cogs, it is a "good" deal. heck, it will get you started until you pass it on. You can get the said spacers at Cap Hill or Citi for $1 each. 2 X 2 mm for 124 spacing, 2 X 3mm for 126 spacing or one of each and live with it, your choice, its all good.
#3443
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"Hugh"?
What are you referring to?
recruitment etc?
I don't get it, you seem to be replying ot my posting but I don't get the connection.
I am discussing CM strategy with pirates who were at the CM.
CM is the big show and if we (everyone) want to encourage cycling in DC we need to encourage (manage)CM. So that does not die, which it does regularly.
There were three seperate CM's three years ago and one of them had only two participants in the winter (Sol, who you know) and Scrooge who you don't. The others simply died. Each CM apppered fully formed and thought they were the first. (This is a typical fallacy in all endeavours involving two wheels).
Pirates are one of the many amateur cycling clubs in the area. They are simply the group to have used the internet most effectively. CM is the best opportunity to link with other groups. But it has beena pathetic tragedy so far. No messengers, few communters, no DCstreets, no chain reaction, no WABA, almost no bike shop employees.
In fact, but for the pirates it would be almost exclusively white middle class hippies and patch-punk cromewellians. Stopping traffic and causing problems for real cyclists.
So lets guide, manage, recruit and develop this resource.
I was a lobbyist for the Crescent trail and bikes on the metro, that was a long time ago and look how much we have accomplished. Why stop now?
recruitment etc?
I don't get it, you seem to be replying ot my posting but I don't get the connection.
I am discussing CM strategy with pirates who were at the CM.
CM is the big show and if we (everyone) want to encourage cycling in DC we need to encourage (manage)CM. So that does not die, which it does regularly.
There were three seperate CM's three years ago and one of them had only two participants in the winter (Sol, who you know) and Scrooge who you don't. The others simply died. Each CM apppered fully formed and thought they were the first. (This is a typical fallacy in all endeavours involving two wheels).
Pirates are one of the many amateur cycling clubs in the area. They are simply the group to have used the internet most effectively. CM is the best opportunity to link with other groups. But it has beena pathetic tragedy so far. No messengers, few communters, no DCstreets, no chain reaction, no WABA, almost no bike shop employees.
In fact, but for the pirates it would be almost exclusively white middle class hippies and patch-punk cromewellians. Stopping traffic and causing problems for real cyclists.
So lets guide, manage, recruit and develop this resource.
I was a lobbyist for the Crescent trail and bikes on the metro, that was a long time ago and look how much we have accomplished. Why stop now?
#3444
Originally Posted by RedDeMartini
No messengers, few communters, no DCstreets, no chain reaction, no WABA, almost no bike shop employees.
So lets guide, manage, recruit and develop this resource.
Why stop now?
So lets guide, manage, recruit and develop this resource.
Why stop now?
I have have been told all the story about why this group or that group stopped coming. It has been a long time, some of that stuff has to be forgotten about.
For the DC CM to have any true effect it would be nice if some of these different party could come together and talk. I think the "Pirate Mass" has done a good job of keeping it going, but I agree more has to be done.
(BTW, I was not at the last few rides, but I just got hit last week and my knee is banged up. Take what I said for what its worth.)
#3447
I wear long pants
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: D*C*
Bikes: Schwinn Mesa GSX (with "road" tires)
Did any of us know about this
Originally Posted by Wikipedia Article On "Pimp My Ride"
The German-language MTV Central Europe has two adaptions of the show called Pimp My Fahrrad (English: "Pimp My Bicycle") and Pimp My Whatever. On Pimp My Fahrrad [3], the bike shop Elbcoast Psycles redoes almost the entire bicycle, usually leaving only the frame intact. While the show could be seen as a parody of the American original, it is also a loving tribute, using all the elements of the American show with a bicycle twist.
#3448
Here's more info... https://www.mtv.de/pimpmyfahrrad/index.php
I'll be happy if they stay away from my bike... It doesn't need any pimpin'
I'll be happy if they stay away from my bike... It doesn't need any pimpin'
#3449
Craig A. Lebowitz
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 372
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From: Washington, DC
Bikes: 1984 Trek 520 | 2002 Specialized Hardrock
Originally Posted by lebowitz
Thanks I am going to get a wheelset next month when I have money.
Does anyone want to sell a 1" threaded stem or extra u brake?


Last edited by lebowitz; 07-10-06 at 09:57 PM.
#3450
Esse Quam Videri
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 223
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From: Washington, DC
Bikes: Bianchi Pista (I know, I know....But I'm slowly modifying her into ONE SEXY 8ITCH!)
Originally Posted by lebowitz
I asked a friend who works at a bike shop and he said that any frame with forward opening dropouts should not be fixed, as skid stopping and general riding can put too much tension on the chain and the rear wheel can come loose and forward. He recommended that I do a single speed with it.
Is it really that dangerous to do a conversion with dropouts like these?
Is it really that dangerous to do a conversion with dropouts like these?
Originally Posted by operator
Your friend is not qualified to work at a bike shop. He's an idiot.
Originally Posted by lebowitz
He's Chris B up at City Bikes. Really nice guy but I guess confused about the dangers of these conversions. Perhaps he wanted to sell me a track frame 






