Could the CM talk please be in a separate thread. This is the "DC Pirates' Pillages and Plunders" thread.

RpC-all right!

wnatw, yeah we know the richmond kids and I am familiar with the attitude.
It is very hard to overcome the preppy attitude down there, it gets underneath everything you do.
I want to get rid of that attitude, it is simply hierarchy and conspicious consumption. Which is what we are supposed to be fighting not encouraging.

The guy who gets a bling bike at 22 will go for the bling car a decade later. The point is to understand what is important about the bike and in life.

this is a cm discussion among the pirate community, if it is a cm thread we will be having the discussion with the folks that we are trying to manage.

For the same reason that mechanical discussions fall into this thread. It is among a community.
The amount of conversation on this topic among those in this room shows that it is appropriate.

Max, by the way is absolutely the best person to talk with. He has respect as a messenger and the political interest in CM.
He is also going to be one of the most friendly people you will deal with.

Max and Dan G. are two of the three masterminds behind the co-op bike shop.

well, "preppy" isn't really the word i'd use, but you're onto something. i grew up there, now all I see are second-rate hipsters running around on FGs all through the Fan acting like they thought of it themselves.

and pardon my n00bishness, but what is "CM"

CM stands for Critical Mass (e.g. https://cm-dc.mahost.org/ ), which in my opinion has nothing to do with the DC Pirates.

Cool, thanks. I assume the Pirates have a site as well then?

you're lookin at it

As dirtyphotons mentioned, this thread and https://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcpirates/

What Up Rincewind8? Its been too long.

Also, I think a agree with Ben. This discussion was started by Pirates. Many pirates ride CM.

This thread is about our rides. CM is a ride that we do. What do others think? Should we move this discussion?

So this Wednesday we will pillage? Maybe I will actually get out and ride, I mean drink Rugby has been consuming my life, which is good, but its not Piratical. See you all soon. Sounds like I didn't miss to much at CM on Friday (I was in Norfolk), but thanks Spud for giving me a shout.

WNATW, we are way relaxed. Once in a while we get worked up on line and that brings up some interesting discussion. Otherwise, we ride, eat, drink (whatever you want) act silly, fix each other's bikes, trade spare parts.... no elistist me me me attitude. But I do listen to the "me first and the gimme gimme's" a LOT!

Example: last Sunday, about 10 of us went to the movies ! Pirates 2
Once in a while there is Pizza night!

Come out Wednesday, we'll show you who we are, ride whatever you like, no need to impress

speaking of a website, if you guys really wanted, i could set you up with a design and host a site for you. i have nothing that im working on in my spare time other than riding my bike, so that sounds like a fun rainy day project for me. i'll meet up with you guys tomorrow for my fancy root beer ride, if you are interested we can talk about it. if you don't want a dc pirates site, i can help anybody put together a personal site of their own as well.

The lockring is new and in a bag, I just didn't take a picture. There is no 17T cog , sorry, guess the seller forgot it. I want to respace the rear wheel tonight if possible, I'll send you a PM with my address and cell in case you want to come over and have some beer/sparks.

Sorry for hosing the board with mechanics... thanks all for the help.

A pirate website would be an isolated backwater, total control but sterile.

We are discussing CM among pirates. I am not interested in having a CM discusion among the activist kids on the CM website. They have no message control, no interest in DC except as a staging ground for their protests and insufficient experience with bikes or riding.

If CM is left up to them is will end in another street fight and then die when they go back to school in August. A fun protest but not a community. They are slumming here, dreaming of righteous riots. But like Jello says "tommorow you're homeless/ tonight it's a blast".

Does anyone remember the pepper spray incident?

Pirates on the other hand have a pretty good interest in the politics of riding in DC as well as all the other characteristics. We, with the other amateur riding clubs, messengers, WABA and commuters have the best chance to keep empowering DC cyclists.

The CCT is the product of lobbying and social pressure, so are bikes on metro , bike lanes, lockup bollards, bike rooms in apartments, and bike racks on buses.

Lets keep on going...

I would go back for that lock ring, it was you deal, and pirates do not get welsh on deals (no thunderdome reference please).

The board is for lots of different stuff, I see no issue with asking "fix my bike " questions.

I thought we were here to discuss things of interest to the Pirates as a whole, not just pillages. Either way, I'm done with CM considering the attitude surrounding it, not here, just in general. If anyone wants to work on a different type of ride I'm all ears. But here's the thing, DC CM has been, in my experience, without a lot of problems with the cops. But at any time during the few hours we ride we are one confrontation away from the problems that NYC, and Chicago have now. I don't want to be involved in that crap, it's just counter productive. I just want to ride with my friends. -Cheers

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind any discussions on this thread. I just hope the pirates won't be associated with CM, because CM is so aggressive, confrontational and in my opinion completely counter-productive to it's original motive. A peaceful, non-confrontational ride in a big group, that stays within the traffic laws would help so much more. Maybe even a police escort that blocks intersections as the group come through could be arranged (I heard DC Police is very good a t that...), who knows. I would participate in such an event at any time.
I just don't think CM does any good to the cycling community and it has gone way to far to ever get a good image again.
However, that is just my personal opinion.

BTW, save the date!

Big ****ing party at my house. This Saturday, the 15th.

Riding encouraged, bring friends.

party starts at 830, barbecue before hand, 3333 18th st. NW in Mount Pleasant. (near Hellers bakery)

intersection of 18th & Monroe

next to 18th & Park.

202-491-4707

(Will have bike stuff to sell and give away).

Bring what you'd like, we will have keg of the cheap stuff.

protests dont work...ever, a coordinated, professional presentation of evidence and arguments to those people with influence, is always going to be more successful. Critical Mass as a protest, is totally a failure

as a chance to blast around and **** around with traffic

...ITS AWESOME

Rincewind8: it has gone way to far to ever get a good image again.


again, please humor me folks, i'm new here. I read these ominous references to a street fight, pepper spray, etc.

seriously, a street fight between bicycle gangs? hilarious AND badass at the same time. please fill me in.

Peter,
Craig was clearly gypped out of that cog by that sneaky indian giver, but I guess that's what happens when greek meets greek.

are there any allycats etc coming up in the area?

wow, three racial slurs in one sentence.

EDIT: pardon me, four

don't forget meeting chicks on bikes.