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jtaylor996 12-07-15 04:30 PM

I'm not that old, and I don't think the bike was a schwinn. Those are pretty damn cool, though!

The bike I had would have been new in somewhere around 1988-1990. Probably bought from Kmart or somewhere like that.

Mumonkan 12-07-15 04:51 PM

this morning my ride in was 30º

that hurt.

coming home was almost 50º

im sweating and i want BBQ.

rpenmanparker 12-07-15 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Mumonkan (Post 18372755)
this morning my ride in was 30º

that hurt.

coming home was almost 50º

im sweating and i want BBQ.

Come to Houston. You will still sweat, but at least we have the best barbecue in the world.

datlas 12-07-15 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by RPK79 (Post 18372508)
Go ahead and say what you want to say. This is a safe place, Billy.

I want so say what I want to say...but the censor won't let me...

Doug28450 12-07-15 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 18372623)
Interesting on the Corvette. I had to go dig, and you're right. He was so famous for the Willy's, the rest is just filler. Very cool.

I had to dig a little bit to make sure he drove the vette. I remembered the Willys and the Cuda. When I was searching the images the vette popped up. I suspected it was one of his because of the candy apple red paint.

Heathpack 12-07-15 06:37 PM

I'm sort of a teacher.

Our hospital is a teaching hospital for one of the vet schools, so I am an adjunct professor there. Formerly I was a regular professor at a traditional university. I left because of a state budget crisis, I couldn't get a pay raise and was getting benefit cuts. So effectively a pay cut. Jumped ship at a good time career-wise.

Now we have vet students rotate through our hospital and we are their required clinical rotations. This is non-traditional vet school, they don't have their own teaching hospital. Not a good model IMO. We do get students from other universities as well, for example they may do a neuro rotation with me because their school lacks a neuro dept.

But even more of our teaching is at the intern and resident level, these are young veterinarians in their first few years out of vet school. I spend much of my day explaining what I am thinking to some intern or another. Or trying to lead them through the thought process on their own.

Wednesday, though, we've having a meeting to discuss the future of our internship program- as in whether we're going to bother beyond next year. Why? Because the current generation is so freakin fragile, they really lack resilience. Feedback that's anything beyond a pat on the back is kind of devastating to them. It's a problem because learning the ropes in vet med is about forcing yourself to make decisions/draw conclusions on your own, then seeking input from more experienced people to refine your decisions before you act. Then repeating that over and over until you can do it reliably on your own. You really need to be able to receive feedback and have that be a productive part of the learning process, young people increasingly have trouble with this, even little trivial things.

We'll see. I doubt we'll stop cold turkey. It should be an interesting conversation.

Doug28450 12-07-15 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 18373006)
I'm sort of a teacher.

Our hospital is a teaching hospital for one of the vet schools, so I am an adjunct professor there. Formerly I was a regular professor at a traditional university. I left because of a state budget crisis, I couldn't get a pay raise and was getting benefit cuts. So effectively a pay cut. Jumped ship at a good time career-wise.

Now we have vet students rotate through our hospital and we are their required clinical rotations. This is non-traditional vet school, they don't have their own teaching hospital. Not a good model IMO. We do get students from other universities as well, for example they may do a neuro rotation with me because their school lacks a neuro dept.

But even more of our teaching is at the intern and resident level, these are young veterinarians in their first few years out of vet school. I spend much of my day explaining what I am thinking to some intern or another. Or trying to lead them through the thought process on their own.

Wednesday, though, we've having a meeting to discuss the future of our internship program- as in whether we're going to bother beyond next year. Why? Because the current generation is so freakin fragile, they really lack resilience. Feedback that's anything beyond a pat on the back is kind of devastating to them. It's a problem because learning the ropes in vet med is about forcing yourself to make decisions/draw conclusions on your own, then seeking input from more experienced people to refine your decisions before you act. Then repeating that over and over until you can do it reliably on your own. You really need to be able to receive feedback and have that be a productive part of the learning process, young people increasingly have trouble with this, even little trivial things.

We'll see. I doubt we'll stop cold turkey. It should be an interesting conversation.

I fully understand your fragile comment.

Last summer I had a new swimming official work the deck at a local meet. When a new official starts they have to do four apprentice session. It was her fourth apprentice session so, she makes the calls and the official she is working with checks the calls and helps her through the explanation process. Essentially, they are being treated as though they are on their own with some oversight. She was doing a fine job, however she seemed to be a bit overzealous in the number of calls she was making. Throughout the session several coaches made the same comment. After the session I talked to her and her mentor. She broke down in tears. I've never seen her back on the pool deck again.

Heathpack 12-07-15 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Doug28450 (Post 18373053)
I fully understand your fragile comment.

Last summer I had a new swimming official work the deck at a local meet. When a new official starts they have to do four apprentice session. It was her fourth apprentice session so, she makes the calls and the official she is working with checks the calls and helps her through the explanation process. Essentially, they are being treated as though they are on their own with some oversight. She was doing a fine job, however she seemed to be a bit overzealous in the number of calls she was making. Throughout the session several coaches made the same comment. After the session I talked to her and her mentor. She broke down in tears. I've never seen her back on the pool deck again.

Not a surprise to me at all. That's exactly what our experience is becoming. Little routine things that you might need to say to an intern are prone to elicit this huge emotional or defensive response. Trivial things like "you forgot to ask what dose of medication X the dog is getting? Well, call the owner an ask." Simple stuff like that, the mechanics of day to day life as a veterinarian, might cause a breakdown. It's really fascinating and troubling at the same time.

Vet med has a lot of the HTFU about it. Llama spits on you, cow kicks you, owner has a tantrum, mental dog won't stop howling, you missed lunch and your receptionist is out sick. Whatever. Sucks to be you. Now get on with it.

Doesnt go over so well these days.

datlas 12-07-15 07:14 PM

tl:dr

:50:

Doug28450 12-07-15 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 18373105)
tl:dr

:50:

Your med school professors told me that was your typical response.

datlas 12-07-15 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Doug28450 (Post 18373115)
Your med school professors told me that was your typical response.

Actually we really got abused in med school and residency. Apparently it's much more cush now. I still have bad memories of those 100 hour work-weeks when you just go into survival mode. Good training but possibly bordering on abusive.

Mumonkan 12-07-15 07:46 PM

so [MENTION=351576]Heathpack[/MENTION] is the house of the animal world :thumb:

rpenmanparker 12-07-15 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 18373134)
Actually we really got abused in med school and residency. Apparently it's much more cush now. I still have bad memories of those 100 hour work-weeks when you just go into survival mode. Good training but possibly bordering on abusive.

Good training is one thing. Question is, was it good medicine? How would the patients feel if they knew the folks caring for them were keeping that kind of schedule?

FLvector 12-07-15 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 18373099)
Not a surprise to me at all. That's exactly what our experience is becoming. Little routine things that you might need to say to an intern are prone to elicit this huge emotional or defensive response. Trivial things like "you forgot to ask what dose of medication X the dog is getting? Well, call the owner an ask." Simple stuff like that, the mechanics of day to day life as a veterinarian, might cause a breakdown. It's really fascinating and troubling at the same time.

Vet med has a lot of the HTFU about it. Llama spits on you, cow kicks you, owner has a tantrum, mental dog won't stop howling, you missed lunch and your receptionist is out sick. Whatever. Sucks to be you. Now get on with it.

Doesnt go over so well these days.

The pussification of America continues.........


Mumonkan 12-07-15 08:02 PM

RIP George.

3alarmer 12-07-15 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 18372486)
Oh my.

I can't comment further ... conflict of interest and all.

Just ain't fair, I tell you.

...I like the kid. With [MENTION=346408]tandempower[/MENTION] on teh Biekforoooms I know there will always be some one who will talk to me. :) Kinda high maintenance, though. :(

3alarmer 12-07-15 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Doug28450 (Post 18373053)
You kids, get off my lawn.


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 18373099)
That's right, you kids over there. Get off my lawn.

...#meanies

Doug28450 12-07-15 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 18373312)

Thank you. I resemble that remark.

3alarmer 12-07-15 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Doug28450 (Post 18373315)
Thank you. I resemble that remark.

...I like to think of you as the source of much nostalgic conversation between your various daughters in the future. "Remember the time that Dad ________ ? Boy, he could be a real meanie sometimes. I wonder how he feels about the staff in the care home we found for him ?"

Heathpack 12-07-15 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by FLvector (Post 18373209)
The pussification of America continues.........


My favorite George Carlin quote: "Just think how dumb your average person is. And realize that half of em are dumber than that."

Mumonkan 12-07-15 09:04 PM

my favorite all time carlin thing was when he devised the new televised pay per view correctional facility in the middle of the country

so good so america.

3alarmer 12-07-15 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 18372517)
I coveted one of those Schwinn Stingrays with the shifter, back in the day. I had the regular Stingray. No shifter.

..."You had a real Schwinn bike ?!! We would have killed for a real Schwinn, let me tell you. Or a bike at all, for that matter. I can remember delivering newspapers at four am on roller skates. And happy to have 'em, we were. We were happy in those days, though. Not like these kids today."

rjones28 12-07-15 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 18373099)
Not a surprise to me at all. That's exactly what our experience is becoming. Little routine things that you might need to say to an intern are prone to elicit this huge emotional or defensive response. Trivial things like "you forgot to ask what dose of medication X the dog is getting? Well, call the owner an ask." Simple stuff like that, the mechanics of day to day life as a veterinarian, might cause a breakdown. It's really fascinating and troubling at the same time.

Vet med has a lot of the HTFU about it. Llama spits on you, cow kicks you, owner has a tantrum, mental dog won't stop howling, you missed lunch and your receptionist is out sick. Whatever. Sucks to be you. Now get on with it.

Doesnt go over so well these days.

:cry:

rjones28 12-07-15 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by jtaylor996 (Post 18372695)
I'm not that old, and I don't think the bike was a schwinn. Those are pretty damn cool, though!

The bike I had would have been new in somewhere around 1988-1990. Probably bought from Kmart or somewhere like that.

Raleigh had one too. And made it thru the 80s.

https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/insp...pperScan25.jpg

LAJ 12-07-15 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 18373342)
My favorite George Carlin quote: "Just think how dumb your average person is. And realize that half of em are dumber than that."

Scary and true.


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