Bike Forums

Bike Forums (https://www.bikeforums.net/forum.php)
-   Road Cycling (https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycling/)
-   -   Addiction LXV (https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycling/1103038-addiction-lxv.html)

datlas 05-11-17 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 19575563)
No you don't need to remove the box for a UCI-sanctioned race. UCI does not consider it a fairing if it has a purpose on the bike (like storage). Trek's Speed Concept also has a similar box in some models. It's a positive for TTists, as it doesn't matter if you use the box or not. It's legal to be there and was likely designed to improve aerodynamics (I have read for sure about this in the case of the BMC in question, but that's the scoop for other bikes that do this). The box is probably removable but since it's designed to be aero, you wouldn't remove it for a TT.

Really? I will believe you since you do TTs, but my understanding about these bikes is that the boxes act as fairings and/or violate the 3:1 rule and thus are not "legal" for any USAC or other event that comes under UCI jurisdiction.

Trsnrtr 05-11-17 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 19575530)
I didn't say we were adjusting the Di2. :)

However, the guy also had some questions about the Di2; indicator lights and charging. He's never had a bike with Di2 before.

So, what were you adjusting? Or, was the owner one of those non-mechanical people? I was in the shop one day when a guy walked an expensive machine in with a flat tire and asked for it to be changed. The shop told him they were busy and wouldn't be able to get to it for awhile and he said that was fine and would wait. I left a half hour or so later and he was still sitting there. I wonder how long he sat.

datlas 05-11-17 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 19575567)
Please excuse my ignorance, but does that thing have a rear brake?

I am sure it's hidden somewhere, likely between the chainstays just behind the BB.

Heathpack 05-11-17 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 19575570)
Really? I will believe you since you do TTs, but my understanding about these bikes is that the boxes act as fairings and/or violate the 3:1 rule and thus are not "legal" for any USAC or other event that comes under UCI jurisdiction.

Really.

From the UCI's perspective, a fairing is a non-functional something added to the bike for aerodynamic purposes.

As soon as the fairing has an alleged purpose- like being a box to store tools or a hydration system- it's no longer a fairing and becomes legal.

It's why my fitter talks almost every time about trying to get that Profile Design hydration system onto my aerobars. Not because I'd use it but because it's a legal fairing for the space under my aerobars.

And trust me he knows the rules. He fits a great many of the worlds elite TTists, including Amber Neben. Haha when we got my hand position up 5 degrees, he said to me: "Love it! Now you have Tony Martin's cockpit!".

About the only thing I have in common with Tony Martin, lol. But the aerodynamic principles are the same.

rjones28 05-11-17 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 19575454)
I believe that BMC as pictured, is NOT UCI legal. If you remove the "trunk" behind the saddle I think it is.

Correct.


BTW, I was scanning the postings from yesterday, and there seems to be a bit of discontinuity about a certain banned visitor to Addiction. Were a few postings actually deleted? I don't know that it was all that controversial, but who knows what the man/woman behind the curtain is doing??
Someone edited one of my posts, but didn't actually change anything. Weird.

rjones28 05-11-17 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 19575482)
Yeah, I'm just looking at the water bottle, some of the wiring and the Di2 control box (or whatever) hanging under the stem - just doesn't look tidy. Also surprised that the front brake caliper isn't tucked behind the fork or something, but I don't have the aero eye-test expertise that Solo claimed to possess.

Those BMC engineers have some 'splainin to do.

rjones28 05-11-17 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 19575567)
Please excuse my ignorance, but does that thing have a rear brake?

Sure.

timemachine 01 Dura Ace Di2 ? Road ? BMC Switzerland

LAJ 05-11-17 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 19575567)
Please excuse my ignorance, but does that thing have a rear brake?

If you look through the holes in the front chain ring, you can see it on the chain stay. It's a pita.

rjones28 05-11-17 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 19575573)
So, what were you adjusting? Or, was the owner one of those non-mechanical people? I was in the shop one day when a guy walked an expensive machine in with a flat tire and asked for it to be changed. The shop told him they were busy and wouldn't be able to get to it for awhile and he said that was fine and would wait. I left a half hour or so later and he was still sitting there. I wonder how long he sat.

He is not a mechanical type. I was working with other people, but I gather that nothing really needed to be done. The mechanic helping him did give it the "once over" and we all, eventually, chatted about the bike and the wheelset. We hadn't seen the new Mavic CXRs in real life.

indyfabz 05-11-17 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 19575616)
If you look through the holes in the front chain ring, you can see it on the chain stay. It's a pita.

Ah. Thanks. Does look like a PITA. Local (to Philly) frame builder Harry Havnoonian's signature was to put "reverse" his rear brake. IIRC, he claimed it provided better stopping power. I have to wonder if it was just a gimmick.


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...psf2aded56.jpg

rjones28 05-11-17 07:48 AM

Conti Horder Alert!

https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...68ec6-71484533

WhyFi 05-11-17 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 19575639)

Is that for a pair or does $60/each count as a deal on GP4ks these days?

rjones28 05-11-17 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 19575633)
Ah. Thanks. Does look like a PITA. Local (to Philly) frame builder Harry Havnoonian's signature was to put "reverse" his rear brake. IIRC, he claimed it provided better stopping power. I have to wonder if it was just a gimmick.


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...psf2aded56.jpg

I kind of wanted a Havnoonian for a while. I never wanted bars like those.

rjones28 05-11-17 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 19575646)
Is that for a pair or does $60/each count as a deal on GP4ks these days?

They show up as half price for me. Hang on....

rjones28 05-11-17 07:54 AM

... oh, it's a "Gold Member Exclusive".

WhyFi 05-11-17 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 19575658)
... oh, it's a "Gold Member Exclusive".

I do not have a gold member.

indyfabz 05-11-17 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 19575649)
I kind of wanted a Havnoonian for a while. I never wanted bars like those.

Yeah. Ugly set up. Just a photo I found on the Internets clearly showing the rear brake. Some hipster who locks up outside my office has a pink one with TT-style bars converted to a fixie. One day he put his lock around my RD cable. I went back to my office, penned a nastygram and left it in his spokes. I had to pull my RD cable (fortunately, I had a hex wrench set with me) and walk to a LBS to have it replaced. The end of the cable was frayed. Because the bike is so large, when the frayed end was cut off there wasn't enough cable left.

topslop1 05-11-17 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 19575055)

hot, super hot.

datlas 05-11-17 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 19575633)
Ah. Thanks. Does look like a PITA. Local (to Philly) frame builder Harry Havnoonian's signature was to put "reverse" his rear brake. IIRC, he claimed it provided better stopping power. I have to wonder if it was just a gimmick.


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...psf2aded56.jpg

Agree that's his "schtick" he thinks that the direction of the force from braking makes this more stable.

Have you met him? I saw him for a fitting for a custom frame about 8 years ago. Let's just say it didn't work out...

topslop1 05-11-17 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 19575488)
My LBS sells Giant and Specialized tri-machines and they are somewhat similar with lots of removable parts and knick knacks.

On the Giant, most of the stuff is in the front and the Shiv is down by the BB.

Love the Giant Propels - have no functional use for me other than they look nice / attractive to me :p

Dan333SP 05-11-17 08:20 AM

I had to Zwift this morning, it's raining and will continue for the next 3 days. Seems an appropriate sendoff from my crappy job.

jtaylor996 05-11-17 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 19575055)

Why's it got a trunk?

indyfabz 05-11-17 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 19575701)
Have you met him? I saw him for a fitting for a custom frame about 8 years ago. Let's just say it didn't work out...

Never met him. When I lived in the Spring Garden section he had a location on Brown St. in Fairmount, but I don't think he was there much, if ever. Was he as bad/worse than what I have heard about Kyle? Never set foot in that shop. Back in the day, you literally had to make an appointment to see him. (Might still be the case today. ) More than one person told me that he wouldn't sell you a bike if you wanted a make and model that he didn't think was right for you.

Dan333SP 05-11-17 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 19575639)

The guy with 300 Emondas will probably buy their entire stock, just in case.

Dan333SP 05-11-17 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by jtaylor996 (Post 19575733)
Why's it got a trunk?

It's a pee tank. These are tri geeks we are talking about.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:56 AM.


Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.