That's been my experience too. Nice looking bikes though.

I wonder if it's different for different bikes/categories.

When I bought my Grail, I couldn't find anything close - like not within $1,000.
The Grail has a carbon frameset, carbon seatpost, carbon integrated bar/stem, Fizik saddle, DT Swiss wheels, Schwalbe tires, r8000 drivetrain... for $2,800. I seemed like anything else spec'ed like that was north of $4,000

Wow...Canyon makes a quality bike. I personally don't prefer them, last year when I was looking to buy I got the runaround by Canyon USA for several months, very disorganized. When you spec them out, as I did this past weekend for a more aggressive road bike the Canyon was $200 less than a similarly equipped SuperSix EVO. I'd rather have the EVO and could make up that $200 and then some at my LBS.

But just because I prefer something else or had a bad experience doesn't make their bikes bad. Their bikes best I can tell are top notch pieces of equipment similar to Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, Scott etc.

While looking for an Ultegra Di2 disk bike, I cross shopped the Ultimate and the Tarmac. I found the Canyon to be considerably less expensive.

https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road/ul...x-disc-8-0-di2

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/me...=263509-154559


The Di2 Ultimate is actually cheaper than the mechanical Tarmac.

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/me...=263506-154558

I've seen their bikes on GCN/youtube. They look great to me. Not sure spending that kind of money for a commuter/office type bike. I'd personally get a hybrid with racks for that kind of job...something with a bit more versatility in regards to what you are doing. I'd like the fuji touring model for what you plan to use it for. It has drop bars, nice rugged steel frame with rear rack. Good excuse too to use it for some epic tours on the side.

Sure, Canyon is cheaper than other bikes if you only look at Specialized.

Specialized Tarmac disc Ultegra Di2: $6,700
Canyon Ultimate disc Ultegra Di2: $4,500
Cannondale Super Six Evo disc Ultegra Di2: $4,000

Did you look at the difference in wheelset?

No, I just looked at Ultegra Di2 disc bikes.

The canyon comes with ~$1300 wheels, your C'dale with ~$300 wheels.

Well, I just ordered the bike...I figure I can't go wrong really. I don't think I could buy the components separately without the frame for much less than I am buying the whole bike for. Canyon has a thirty day return policy and if something happens after that, I'll just go looking for a frame to put these components on. I think my final selling point was the threaded bottom bracket. I have never had an issue until yesterday and the bottom bracket on my XC mountain bike started creaking. On the mountain bike, I can buy a thread together version from wheelsmfg.com and fix it permanently. On the road bikes, you don't have that option...I'll put pics up when it gets here.

And the C-Dale has a QR on the rear wheel, the Canyon TA's front and rear. The Cannondale is cheap for a reason.

That's one of the things I liked (and why I bought) the Canyon - they don't seem to play the "Hey, only pay attention to the standard brochure bullet points - Carbon Frame! Ultegra Drivetrain Disk Brakes, and ignore all the places we saved money like the cheap wheels, tires, saddle, and/or our private label bar, stem, saddle, wheels... " game. The Canyons are spec'ed like we'd build a bike - Fizik saddle, Schwalbe tires, DT Swiss wheels, etc. (well, some of us anyway). I love the RWS thru bolts.

Helpful post. Any actual experience with Canyon?

Hah...are you new? You must be new! This is the 41, internet experience is more important than actual experience.

BBInfinite has a solution for roadbikes. I am using it on all my bikes with BB30/PF30 bottom brackets. They work really well.

Despite Canyon at first being recommended to me as good value,
I've been disappointed in their customer service standards.

In December 2018 - ordered Canyon Grail AL 7.0 (2.199,00 AU$), despite 3 month dispatch time (March 2019)
In January 2018 - Canyon advised "Sorry" the order has been delayed will dispatch in July 2019

In February 2018 - substituted initial order with more expensive Grail CF SL 7.0 scheduled for the original order's dispatch time (March 2019)
In February 2018 - Canyon advised "Sorry" the order has been delayed will dispatch in April 2019

My inquiries for a bike began in November 2018. I have no bike in the meantime. I've since read about the experiences of others with Canyon on these threads, they are illuminating.

After a pretty extensive search I was settled on the Grail AL and waited patiently for the release date. It came and went in Europe and I expected a bit of delay to the US. I'm getting antsy and hearing of 6 month delays now in addition to the two month current delay from original release. I don't think I've got much more wait in me no matter how bad I want the Canyon.

I've had my eye on the AL Grail for a bit myself...Wish they were available. I am not paying for a bike that they can't deliver in a decent amount of time...And I'm in Europe.

2 Canyons here. Ultimate CFSLX and Endurace. Terrific bikes great prices. Even complained that the seat post wasn't shipped as pictured and they swapped it promptly, no questions asked. I'm happy.

Bought two RoadLite CF 9.0 LTD last fall. Great bikes, great price for what they are, and super great customer service before and after the sale. However, I did purchase from Canyon USA. You can read about my experience here:Well here goes.... a couple of new Canyon Roadlites

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Is Canyon's sizing weird? I put my measurements in and gives me an error. It's also suggesting XS or S. I have lovely short legs...