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Old 07-17-23, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by datlas
Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent. Not at this juncture.

Interestingly, the blue one has been listed as "in stock" on the site for the past 2 weeks. I thought those things just flew off the lot as soon as they arrive.
They only "fly" off as long as one is willing to pay the ADM.

When we were looking at buying two Broncos, I made an offer at a dealership to pay MSRP for both, but they turned me down. Took them a few weeks to move them, but they apparently got their ADM.

While you're offering invoice, I'd tell them you want $20k for your classic collectible.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
He'd be a great coach of a kids' team.

It doesn't take much to volunteer your time with kids' teams.

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Maybe. Maybe not. I've seen more than a few former high-level players who were not good coaches, even at the youth level. I've also seen people with no personal experience playing the game be really excellent coaches. Coaching is its own skillset.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
wut

What are your credentials as a track coach?
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Magic Johnson could play, but that didn't make him a coach.
I’m fast, understand running form, mechanics and technique to help younger kids get faster.

I also coach cross country and help my daughter’s softball teammates with speed workouts. It’s volunteer work.
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Will your cheap ass self allow you to pay the "Additional Dealer Markup" (ADM) that all the stealerships are charging?
When the supercharged Vettes first came out our dealer was adding $35k to the msrp and the cars were all sold before we even got one on the lot. The dealer got a message from Chevrolet that the practice was not permitted and they could lose future Corvette shipments. I'm sure that didn't stop them from doing it but maybe they were a bit more discrete.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Maybe. Maybe not. I've seen more than a few former high-level players who were not good coaches, even at the youth level. I've also seen people with no personal experience playing the game be really excellent coaches. Coaching is its own skillset.
A lot depends on the level of expectation. Entry level and recreational team sports don't require the same level of expertise as competitive developmental teams.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
A lot depends on the level of expectation. Entry level and recreational team sports don't require the same level of expertise as competitive developmental teams.
Coaching isn’t really all that different than being a leader in a business. It’s about selling people on vision and doing the work to get better. Same general skill set IMO.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
While you're offering invoice, I'd tell them you want $20k for your classic collectible.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Maybe. Maybe not. I've seen more than a few former high-level players who were not good coaches, even at the youth level. I've also seen people with no personal experience playing the game be really excellent coaches. Coaching is its own skillset.
There's an old saying, came from the boxing discipline I think: It takes a chump to make a champ.

A lot of truth in that.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
A lot depends on the level of expectation. Entry level and recreational team sports don't require the same level of expertise as competitive developmental teams.
My kid played travel softball at the highest competitive levels in the country, though the end of HS. We encountered multiple examples of both types that I mentioned before. Enough that I stopped being enamored with a coach's resume as a player as a qualification for being a good coach. The best coaches were always the ones that put work into developing as a coach and were continuously learning, rather than just leaning on what they experienced as a player. I'm not saying a former player can't be a great coach, only that those two things don't always go together.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
My kid played travel softball at the highest competitive levels in the country, though the end of HS. We encountered multiple examples of both types that I mentioned before. Enough that I stopped being enamored with a coach's resume as a player as a qualification for being a good coach. The best coaches were always the ones that put work into developing as a coach and were continuously learning, rather than just leaning on what they experienced as a player. I'm not saying a former player can't be a great coach, only that those two things don't always go together.
But, you're talking about coaches for highly competitive teams. I'm referring to early little league, soccer, basketball, and football.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
But, you're talking about coaches for highly competitive teams. I'm referring to early little league, soccer, basketball, and football.
The journey started in rec ball. We saw good and bad coaches there, too. Again, coaching skills did not always follow playing resume. Generally speaking, I agree with you. Just showing up and being willing to step in to help kids learn the game is the most important factor of all. Being able to communicate a concept in a way that the players can easily understand, adopt, and implement is a fundamental skill for effective coaching. Some folks have it. Some definitely do not - lol.
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Magic Johnson could play, but that didn't make him a coach.
Ok boomer.
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That album is from ~1994.
Yes. Recent. That's what I said. Ttku
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Originally Posted by Eric F
The journey started in rec ball. We saw good and bad coaches there, too. Again, coaching skills did not always follow playing resume. Generally speaking, I agree with you. Just showing up and being willing to step in to help kids learn the game is the most important factor of all. Being able to communicate a concept in a way that the players can easily understand, adopt, and implement is a fundamental skill for effective coaching. Some folks have it. Some definitely do not - lol.
In my business, it's very common for somebody who's really good at the bench, as a post-doc or starting Scientist, to be given a group of 2-6 people to manage, generally without any training in how to do that. As you can imagine, the results are... mixed.
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I looked at last week's leaderboard and noted that I took second in total climbing, but that's because of a weird Garmin glitch - 13 miles into a 22 mile ride, my Garmin appears to have gotten lost and wandered back and forth over the hills and dales of Woodside and Redwood City. My mileage was correct, but it added at least 2000 feet I definitely didn't do. I'd try to fix it, but honestly I don't really care that much.
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At some point in Pennsylvania I think it was illegal to sell a car over MSRP.
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I ran into a car on Saturday. A minivan coming my direction did a left turn in front of me after waiting for a car going my direction to pass. I was able to slow some, and turn right some, so it wasn't a straight impact into the side of the minivan. My left shoulder and hip took the biggest impact, and I ended up on the ground, but my bike is fine (small scrape on bar tape and pedal), and other than some mild bruises, my body is okay - no blood. I didn't even damage my new team kit. I didn't notice if I dented the door panel on the minivan, but I sure felt it compress when I hit it. The driver stopped, apologized sincerely, and said that she didn't see me because of the car that had passed. I can see that the other car would have obscured me for a bit, but there was still plenty of time and a clear line of site to where I was when she started her turn.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I looked at last week's leaderboard and noted that I took second in total climbing, but that's because of a weird Garmin glitch - 13 miles into a 22 mile ride, my Garmin appears to have gotten lost and wandered back and forth over the hills and dales of Woodside and Redwood City. My mileage was correct, but it added at least 2000 feet I definitely didn't do. I'd try to fix it, but honestly I don't really care that much.
That's okay - the last I checked, no one in the group cared too much about ascent figures.



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Originally Posted by Eric F
Maybe. Maybe not. I've seen more than a few former high-level players who were not good coaches, even at the youth level. I've also seen people with no personal experience playing the game be really excellent coaches. Coaching is its own skillset.
Same with managing, of course. My boss is a great manager. She was a good developer.
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That's okay - the last I checked, no one in the group cared too much about ascent figures.



I'm more interested in descending.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
In my business, it's very common for somebody who's really good at the bench, as a post-doc or starting Scientist, to be given a group of 2-6 people to manage, generally without any training in how to do that. As you can imagine, the results are... mixed.
In the 80s I got a vocational education credential. I worked at a private school and a couple years at LAUSD teaching automotive classes. I had adult students, adult druggie students, and high school special ed students. A lot different than working on cars. Got laid off in a budget cut and never tried to get back in.

Later at the dealer I was given a trainee. A high school girl who wanted to get involved in the car biz. She was very sharp, good reader and good learner. I made her cry one day and felt like a jerk. Sometimes I'm a good teacher, sometimes not.

She ended up working for Pep Boys and she came back to see me. She called me Abuelo and said she had become a manager of their parts warehouse.
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Wonder who this could be.

Italian bike and car but Spanish text. I'm so cornfused.

Also FAOTD
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In the 80s I got a vocational education credential. I worked at a private school and a couple years at LAUSD teaching automotive classes. I had adult students, adult druggie students, and high school special ed students. A lot different than working on cars. Got laid off in a budget cut and never tried to get back in.

Later at the dealer I was given a trainee. A high school girl who wanted to get involved in the car biz. She was very sharp, good reader and good learner. I made her cry one day and felt like a jerk. Sometimes I'm a good teacher, sometimes not.

She ended up working for Pep Boys and she came back to see me. She called me Abuelo and said she had become a manager of their parts warehouse.
I'm OK at teaching sometimes. Other times there can be tears and bloodshed

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