use Campagnolo :)

Forza Italia !!

You're not being very helpful!:rolleyes:

correct, hubs / new wheels nrmally come with said spacer, which i believe is the " thin " one.... at least it was with my Mavics.

I hope Thylo's not working up a quote based on that diagram :eek:

Well, I'd do a 73 HTA with a 43mm rake for you. No reason to go any steeper.

605mm top tube? Of course! I'm 6ft 3ins (193cm), Jock.

Most stock bikes in my size are 72-73 degree STA, so to get in the right position on them I'd need a setback post, but they're sucky. I can get pretty much exactly the same position on a bike with a 585 top tube and a 72.4 degree seat angle. So....

A) 585 top tube, 72.4 STA, 130mm stem, setback post
B) 595 top tube, 71.5 STA, 130mm stem, straight post
C) 605 top tube, 71.5 STA, 120mm stem, straight post

All three of the above bikes are exactly the same. My butt, hands and pedals are in exactly the same pozzie.

That's why you can't just look at one number and assume how a bike will ride and handle, because it's all totally meaningless unless you look at the big picture.

Thankfully there's idiots like me to do that.

I say Option B and so does hubby - his comment, he prefers the traditional frame look as opposed to the compact look. I just think B looks more balanced aesthetically

Look out, that would be some weapon. Unfortunately she hasn't been invented yet.

Does anyone know if the bike show will be on at homebush again this year?

Twas a tad chilly at sparrows fart this morning down on Norton st. but good fun nevertheless. Even escaped the fireworks and flares with a full head of hair intact. Takes a bit of the sting off knowing it took the World Champs to knock us out. Well done Italy. Wouldn't want to be in Zidane's shoes for a while.

If you mean the Bicycling Australia sponsored one, then no - it is in Melbourne this year.

Maybe there should a group excursion of Sydney-based BFers. :eek: :D

well that doesnt help me! had to leave the last one a bit earlier than expected after some knuckle dragger decided Mrs HDT was a nice piece of ass (well, ill admit it, she is!) and decided to follow her around doing the not so inconspicuous perve making her quite uncomfortable.... oh well, next year!

HDT, that's an anecdote I wouldn't have expected to hear about a bike show...bummer.

Of course if Mrs HDT was made of carbon fibre then it would make more sense! :D

I'm enjoying todays lesson. Your weight distribution over the axles would be different though, wouldn't it? And therefore handling?
Hang on, I've still got a torch and a hacksaw. Want me to bang up some fancy triangles for ya?:)

Yeah, weight distribution between the wheels would be a tad different.

Some call it an excuse to get a new bike......others.......R&D!

:beer:

Wattsy, what hub is it?

Freehubs for Shimano 8 & 9 speed will do 10 speed with a spacer added (comes with a 10sp cassette.) 10 speed specific hubs (like the Dura Ace wheels) will only do 10sp as they are too narrow for 9sp.

Mavic hubs need a spacer for 8sp & 9sp (comes with the hub) and for 10sp you need the Mavic spacer plus the Shimano spacer.

Correct me anyone if I am wrong.

Sounds right to me, including fact that 10 is narrower than 9

Fair enuf. My training bike is 75 STA and 72 HTA. very cruisey. Race bike is 74 + 74 and its a bit choppy on the open road but very nice on the smooth crit circuit pavement

As long as your contact points are in the same position, that should work. However, if it was me, I'd have the same geometry on both my training bike and my race bike. I don't really see the point in having to adapt each time you switch bikes.

For a Crit bike, I'd maybe raise the BB a tad and recommend a stiffer overall bike with less emphasis on comfort (ie: recommend Al or Sc over Steel or Ti), but that's about it. Actually, I would recommend steel but go for a beefy oversize tube selection and don't give a crap about weight.

A sweet steel frame and matching steel forks, and some killer aero wheels like Rolf prima Vigor SL's would make a real nice crit bike.

Yeah I think I've heard that 10spd hubs don't do 9spd cassettes as well, but could you swap the freehub completely?

On a related issue, I'm running 9speed dura ace wheels on the hack bike, got em cheap secondhand, they're well used but very light wheels and they've always been silent when freewheeling. Just recently they've not been taking up all the time i.e. you might stand on it from a standstill or coasting and get 250rpm of zero load. It's quite exciting:rolleyes:
I get the feeling they've had some of the drive pawls removed (for weight?) and the question is do I attempt my first freehub overhaul- clean/lube or assume it's buggered and get a new freehub?

pisser

http://sydney.craigslist.org/rnr/178876690.html

I have three kids, one of whom is into that expensive sport of cycling, ergo no money. I have to make do with what my limited budget allows. Given that I spend about $300 every 2 months just keeping the mongrels on the road I guess it was only natural to buy neanderthal. I got what I got. Measurements translated pretty well, so there's virtually no adaptation required apart from the differences in handling and gearing.

As for raising the BB, well I'm in two minds about it. There's nothing like the thrill of dropping blokes off your wheel by clipping at >60kmh. Scares the bejeesus outta them. A bit harsh on the pedal tho. :roflmao:

Oh, I thought we were talking about your bikes.

Kids are a different proposition, of course. Make em work for it or get them on something cheap and bomber I guess. I hardly expect anyone in that position to pony up the 10-15k you'd need to sink into a specifically designed training/racing quiver.

But hey, what do I know about such things? I'm 34 and newly married but still think I'm 25, which comes as a shock when I attempt to keep up with 25 year olds! I can't fund my own cycling habit let alone someone elses.

I've just put the 9 speed cluster on the 10 speed hub. I used a spacer from an old 9 speed cluster and it fits perfectly. Went for a test ride up and down the street and it shifts perfectly as well. BTW, it's a Shimano hub/cluster.

The wheel had a 10 speed Dura Ace cluster and used a medium and small spacer to keep it tight.

:lol:
My fixies got a low BB too. Always an adventure.

Anyone just see Malcolm Mclaren on Denton? That was Interesting.

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wokka made a funny :D