Etiquitte of the crash?
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Etiquitte of the crash?
So I was in a 4 bike pileup caused by a careless person on my local club ride yestderday. One guy broke a collar bone, I've definitely suffered some small tissue damage in my shoulder (will get it x-ray'd this morning), the third guy suffered some scrapes, and the guy who caused it was mostly OK with some blood/hand scrapes.
I'm out a 6 week old helmet (christmas gift, landed on my head, oh well, it did its job) maybe the forks (need to check the steerer out) and probably some PT/medical. The guy with the broken collar bone definitely's out some time, helmet, etc. And the third guy had a wheel destroyed.
Should we kick rider #1's butt?
I'm out a 6 week old helmet (christmas gift, landed on my head, oh well, it did its job) maybe the forks (need to check the steerer out) and probably some PT/medical. The guy with the broken collar bone definitely's out some time, helmet, etc. And the third guy had a wheel destroyed.
Should we kick rider #1's butt?
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well, how careless was he? If it was a reckless and uncalled for manouvere then he is responsible i guess, but if it was an accident through inexperience or whatever then you cant be too hard on the guy, id imagine he's feeling pretty cut up about it as it is, i know i would be if i caused a crach like that.
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I seriously doubt that someone would knowingly cause a crash, or assume that a hotdog move would be accepted in a club ride setting with strangers. Some people are just unaware that they caused the crash.
Ask him if he knows what/who caused it. If he's oblivious, AND is he's going to ride with the group again, then you MUST point it out to him. Be as objective as possible. But otherwise, move on. Kicking his butt will only create a more dangerous situation.
One more comment: if you had seen him riding in a manner that had crash-potential, you could have pointed it out to him pre-crash in a very diplomatic and nurturing tone so as not to offend anyone.
Or were you going too fast?
Ask him if he knows what/who caused it. If he's oblivious, AND is he's going to ride with the group again, then you MUST point it out to him. Be as objective as possible. But otherwise, move on. Kicking his butt will only create a more dangerous situation.
One more comment: if you had seen him riding in a manner that had crash-potential, you could have pointed it out to him pre-crash in a very diplomatic and nurturing tone so as not to offend anyone.
Or were you going too fast?
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The luck of the responsible one should not be a factor- his actions should. However, you should not "kick rider #1's butt" because that would be too simple an answer and he most likely would not learn much from the experience while exposing you to criminal problems. Instead, ostracize him- refuse to ride with the guy (especially if the accident resulted from a reoccurring pattern of incompetence) and spread the word that the guy is dangerous- citing the accident.
As for the helmet, check out the manufacturer's exchange program. Many want damaged helmets back to study and offer a replacement program for much less $$ than retail prices.
As for the helmet, check out the manufacturer's exchange program. Many want damaged helmets back to study and offer a replacement program for much less $$ than retail prices.
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No! Get him some skills and remind him that paying attention is king. If he has any sense of guilt he will be feeling your pain for years to come. And, bike racing is dangeous. It's one of the chances we take.
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I'd say kick in his derailleur and beat the living crap outa him. That'll show him not to make another error in judgment!
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Originally Posted by kensuf
Should we kick rider #1's butt?
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Originally Posted by kensuf
Should we kick rider #1's butt?
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Originally Posted by kensuf
So I was in a 4 bike pileup caused by a careless person on my local club ride yestderday. One guy broke a collar bone, I've definitely suffered some small tissue damage in my shoulder (will get it x-ray'd this morning), the third guy suffered some scrapes, and the guy who caused it was mostly OK with some blood/hand scrapes.
I'm out a 6 week old helmet (christmas gift, landed on my head, oh well, it did its job) maybe the forks (need to check the steerer out) and probably some PT/medical. The guy with the broken collar bone definitely's out some time, helmet, etc. And the third guy had a wheel destroyed.
Should we kick rider #1's butt?
I'm out a 6 week old helmet (christmas gift, landed on my head, oh well, it did its job) maybe the forks (need to check the steerer out) and probably some PT/medical. The guy with the broken collar bone definitely's out some time, helmet, etc. And the third guy had a wheel destroyed.
Should we kick rider #1's butt?
Seriously, in a situation like this, just be up front and honest with him. Tell him you know he's not a bad guy, but you're out a helmet, maybe a fork, and money for medical bills because of his screw-up. Anyone with any kind of moral fibre is going to suck it up and make right what they did.
If he doesn't, don't ride with him anymore, and suggest to others that they avoid him as well.
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This is why I never ride in pacelines or bunched up in packs. Too much risk. Too little reward.
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Originally Posted by asgelle
That would make no sense. The fault was entirely your own. You chose which group to ride with. You chose where to put your bike in the pack. You chose how much space to leave between you and the bikes around you. And finally, you chose how well to develop your own skills. If you ride in a group you accept the inherent risks that come along with it. If someone is dangerous, work to help them improve or get them to leave the group, but that's the long term solution. During a ride everyone is responsible for themself. As they say in boxing, protect yourself at all times.
as stated above- no group "ettiguette" can take the place of personal defense. if you're in a pack with a bunch of squirrels... then leave a bigger gap, form a group of people you do know and either drop the bozos or fall to the back and disappear/change your ride.
you've got to be proactive with your own safety.
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Definitely more info is needed here. Was he popping wheelies at the front the paceline?
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I saw a group ride last week with over 100 in it. It's insane. I only ride with guys I REALLY know can handle a pack. Good luck on the mend.
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Originally Posted by asgelle
That would make no sense. The fault was entirely your own. You chose which group to ride with. You chose where to put your bike in the pack. You chose how much space to leave between you and the bikes around you. And finally, you chose how well to develop your own skills. If you ride in a group you accept the inherent risks that come along with it. If someone is dangerous, work to help them improve or get them to leave the group, but that's the long term solution. During a ride everyone is responsible for themself.
Cyclists like to ride in pacelines, but if you choose to position yourself in a way that you cannot stop or dodge in time if someone suddenly does something dumb or suffers catastrophic equipment failure, crashes once in awhile will be inevitable. This is particularly true if you don't know the skills of the other riders.
At rec rides, I almost always see people I think are trying to ride beyond their skills. Pacelines are always dangerous, but they are especially so when the riders don't know each other well and/or lack experience.
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Glad you had your helmet on and it worked.
Accidents happen. Dont follow so closely next time.
Sorry. Nobodies fault but yours.
Accidents happen. Dont follow so closely next time.
Sorry. Nobodies fault but yours.
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I hope everything checks out OK for you both medically and mechanically.
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Originally Posted by Jet Travis
This is why I never ride in pacelines or bunched up in packs. Too much risk. Too little reward.
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Originally Posted by kensuf
So I was in a 4 bike pileup caused by a careless person on my local club ride yestderday. One guy broke a collar bone, I've definitely suffered some small tissue damage in my shoulder (will get it x-ray'd this morning), the third guy suffered some scrapes, and the guy who caused it was mostly OK with some blood/hand scrapes.
I'm out a 6 week old helmet (christmas gift, landed on my head, oh well, it did its job) maybe the forks (need to check the steerer out) and probably some PT/medical. The guy with the broken collar bone definitely's out some time, helmet, etc. And the third guy had a wheel destroyed.
Should we kick rider #1's butt?
I'm out a 6 week old helmet (christmas gift, landed on my head, oh well, it did its job) maybe the forks (need to check the steerer out) and probably some PT/medical. The guy with the broken collar bone definitely's out some time, helmet, etc. And the third guy had a wheel destroyed.
Should we kick rider #1's butt?
If you already have all of this in place, then accept that crashes will happen sometimes - to all groups of all skill level. Recover well, make a personal decision if you want to accept this risk, and ride on with them, or not. BTW, I've fallen with EVERY category, even some 'pro's who needed coaching on how to hold onto a bottle.
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Group rides in my neck of the woods are definitely at your own risk...and usually prove so as well.
Here's to a speedy recovery kensuf, and you might want to see if your helmet manufacturer has a crash replacement policy.
Here's to a speedy recovery kensuf, and you might want to see if your helmet manufacturer has a crash replacement policy.
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Did we ever find out what he did, or allegedly did?
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Originally Posted by Smoothie104
Did we ever find out what he did, or allegedly did?
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Originally Posted by kensuf
Should we kick rider #1's butt?