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#127
Originally Posted by botto
we all have our crosses to bear.
and for the especially pathetic among us, that cross is having to resort to critiquing someone's grammar on a bicycling message board in an attempt to find personal validation.
i'll take being from louisiana over that any day.
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Originally Posted by visitordesign
anyone who wants to come on that ride with us is welcome to. just don't draft me, cos i can't see.
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#129
Originally Posted by evanyc
and for the especially pathetic among us, that cross is having to resort to critiquing someone's grammar on a bicycling message board in an attempt to find personal validation.
i'll take being from louisiana over that anyday.
i'll take being from louisiana over that anyday.
#130
Originally Posted by visitordesign
ok, you. you're lucky i'm just rendering videos all day...
if people have fun with organized racing, of course they should do it. i accept it. it's fine. it's great even--for them. i'm just not a fan of anything organized--it just feels too "religious". that and recent problems i've had with my vision have made me question a lot of things, most of which have nothing to do with cycling, but the general answer to the questions is, "get used to being happy alone and get used to doing everything in the dark."
if people have fun with organized racing, of course they should do it. i accept it. it's fine. it's great even--for them. i'm just not a fan of anything organized--it just feels too "religious". that and recent problems i've had with my vision have made me question a lot of things, most of which have nothing to do with cycling, but the general answer to the questions is, "get used to being happy alone and get used to doing everything in the dark."
And, of course, arguing is fun too. I just love organized racing as much as I love disorganized cycling.
I'm really sorry to hear about that, and I hope the answer to those questions doesn't come to that. Weirdly two people I know here in NYC have recently been diagnosed with rather obscure degenerative retinal disorders. Are you facing something like that? It'd really be strange for three youngish, fairly healthy people to be experiencing that kind of thing. Something environmental?
#131
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Originally Posted by visitordesign
i'm hoping that the next time you go fast, that you think about it more in terms of how the scenery looks as it zips by than you do about what your wattage meter spits out.
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#132
Originally Posted by popdelusions
Heh...I certainly understand that situation. Today I've been trying to resurrect the ProTools sessions for a four-year-old abandoned EP project that someone suddenly wants finished. Time on my hands...
And, of course, arguing is fun too. I just love organized racing as much as I love disorganized cycling.
I'm really sorry to hear about that, and I hope the answer to those questions doesn't come to that. Weirdly two people I know here in NYC have recently been diagnosed with rather obscure degenerative retinal disorders. Are you facing something like that? It'd really be strange for three youngish, fairly healthy people to be experiencing that kind of thing. Something environmental?
And, of course, arguing is fun too. I just love organized racing as much as I love disorganized cycling.
I'm really sorry to hear about that, and I hope the answer to those questions doesn't come to that. Weirdly two people I know here in NYC have recently been diagnosed with rather obscure degenerative retinal disorders. Are you facing something like that? It'd really be strange for three youngish, fairly healthy people to be experiencing that kind of thing. Something environmental?
there could be something environmental. my GF's retinas both detatched recently. but for me, it was just simple conjunctivits gone haywire. i was given antibiotics for a simple viral (not bacterial) eye infection. i tried the antibiotics for a week and a half, the virus just got stronger and stronger and my eye started an immunoresponse that still hasn't turned off. the response results in weird protein masses that create opacities in my cornea. light can't get thru and images don't render correctly/quickly. what sucks is that the opacities change position all the time. i've been on steroidal drops for it since last august. it gets better. it gets worse. no one knows what's up, but everyone agrees that the steroids--even as eyedrops--have had too long a course.
so, when i say, "in the dark" i mean, i need to do laps at night after the park is closed so i don't endanger other cyclists. i have to ride 9W late in the day after clubs are done. i'm sometimes lucky enough to ba able to hook up with a few friends and do long road rides with people who know about my problem. it sort of sucks, but i love riding, so i adapt--and ride the hell out of rollers.
#134
Originally Posted by visitordesign
i didn't really claim much other than some friends and i wanted to do a 25+mph century and were hoping for some 40+ sprints because a few of us had done better
"we're expecting to keep it 25+ the whole way with 40+ sprints. a few of us are capable of 50+ flat sprints"
If your going to quote unbelievable figures like that don't get testy when you are called out on it. It's no biggie. I log lot's of miles and I am sure I can't keep up with you and your friends. There is no way I could keep a 25+ average for a century without a strong tailwind the whole way and that's ok.
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#135
Originally Posted by visitordesign
that's funny. the stuff i'm rendering is a video project of a 1986 tour film that i cut for a band 8 years ago which they suddenly want to work on again. what the hell?
Originally Posted by visitordesign
there could be something environmental. my GF's retinas both detatched recently. but for me, it was just simple conjunctivits gone haywire. i was given antibiotics for a simple viral (not bacterial) eye infection. i tried the antibiotics for a week and a half, the virus just got stronger and stronger and my eye started an immunoresponse that still hasn't turned off. the response results in weird protein masses that create opacities in my cornea. light can't get thru and images don't render correctly/quickly. what sucks is that the opacities change position all the time. i've been on steroidal drops for it since last august. it gets better. it gets worse. no one knows what's up, but everyone agrees that the steroids--even as eyedrops--have had too long a course.
so, when i say, "in the dark" i mean, i need to do laps at night after the park is closed so i don't endanger other cyclists. i have to ride 9W late in the day after clubs are done. i'm sometimes lucky enough to ba able to hook up with a few friends and do long road rides with people who know about my problem. it sort of sucks, but i love riding, so i adapt--and ride the hell out of rollers.
so, when i say, "in the dark" i mean, i need to do laps at night after the park is closed so i don't endanger other cyclists. i have to ride 9W late in the day after clubs are done. i'm sometimes lucky enough to ba able to hook up with a few friends and do long road rides with people who know about my problem. it sort of sucks, but i love riding, so i adapt--and ride the hell out of rollers.
#137
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Originally Posted by DrPete
I'm kinda far from NYC and my schedule is all booked up, but I'll pass on an e-mail to Zabel, Hushovd, McEwen, Haedo, Bettini, Pettachi, and Boonen for ya. I don't have Oscar Freire's e-mail address, though. But he's a slacker anyway.
I would also like to add a few things here, that maybe people (including VD) have not considered. First off the 50+ mph was the max speed, not average, the conditions (gradient, windspeed) were eyeballed by VD and not scientifically measured and there is also the distinct possibility that cyclometers crap out at high speeds.
#140
Originally Posted by garysol1
No, actually here is your quote....
"we're expecting to keep it 25+ the whole way with 40+ sprints. a few of us are capable of 50+ flat sprints"
If your going to quote unbelievable figures like that don't get testy when you are called out on it. It's no biggie. I log lot's of miles and I am sure I can't keep up with you and your friends. There is no way I could keep a 25+ average for a century without a strong tailwind the whole way and that's ok.
"we're expecting to keep it 25+ the whole way with 40+ sprints. a few of us are capable of 50+ flat sprints"
If your going to quote unbelievable figures like that don't get testy when you are called out on it. It's no biggie. I log lot's of miles and I am sure I can't keep up with you and your friends. There is no way I could keep a 25+ average for a century without a strong tailwind the whole way and that's ok.
Man, thanks so much for detangling this. 162 cadence, 50+ sprints are nothing compared to a 25mph century! I was getting my order for EPO and HGH to BALCO ready. I see numbers like that and get real discouraged. Fortunately, it seems they may be a tad unrealistic.
Sheesh, I don't think I could average 25 for 50 miles on a TT Bike . . .
#141
Originally Posted by popdelusions
Oh, and next time you want to throw around a fake sprint speed number to get people worked up, try something like "42" -- impressive, but within reason. You'll get much better arguments and nobody'll immediately think you're lying.
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Just got back from a nice recovery spin. Average HR 112, average speed 36mph.
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#143
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Just got back from a nice recovery spin. Average HR 112, average speed 36mph.
A 50mph sprint, that's a good one
#144
Originally Posted by WCroadie
I could only average 30mph on my recovery ride tonight, but it was uphill the whole way.
A 50mph sprint, that's a good one
A 50mph sprint, that's a good one

Man, I've never averaged 30 MPH on *any* ride. Is this when we start internet-worshipping your superiority?
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#145
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Just got back from a nice recovery spin. Average HR 112, average speed 36mph.
Seriously Dr Pete? I'm not too sure what is real in this thread anymore. No way in hell I could have an average HR of 112 doing even 20 mph.
#146
Originally Posted by G_Sup
Seriously Dr Pete? I'm not too sure what is real in this thread anymore. No way in hell I could have an average HR of 112 doing even 20 mph.
and as far as the 25mph average on a century... the century we averaged 20mph was out to montauk. popdelusion is probably the only other person here that might be familiar with that stretch. it's essentially entirely flat. there are a few rolling hills here and there, but yeah... basically totally flat. six of us averaged 20mph fixed/brakeless with an average gearing of around 48x16 with not much of a problem so we got to thinking about what we'd be able to pull on geared bikes. VD, yoshi, and lee figured they could swing 25. as VD mentioned earlier - that's an expected avg. having ridden a good bit with each of them and being the reason they didn't avg higher on the last century i think they can swing it. i doubt my ability to do so though, but i'm up for trying. i mean, if i get a snazzy matching kit that'll give me a lot of extra speed right!?
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A 4-hour century with an experienced, cooperative group is believable. A 50mph sprint on flat ground without divine intervention is not.
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#148
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Originally Posted by G_Sup
Seriously Dr Pete? I'm not too sure what is real in this thread anymore. No way in hell I could have an average HR of 112 doing even 20 mph.
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#149
hey man, i never testified to nor am i defending his ability to pull a 50mph sprint. my only claim was that VD can pull a 31mph sprint easily in response to the belief that his computer wasn't properly set up or that he had kilometers and miles mixed up.
i fully support callin someone out, but i also think it can be done without being a total condescending ******. i also think it's silly to think, as many roadies seem to, that anyone who is fast would would race, and that anyone who isn't racing isn't fast.
i fully support callin someone out, but i also think it can be done without being a total condescending ******. i also think it's silly to think, as many roadies seem to, that anyone who is fast would would race, and that anyone who isn't racing isn't fast.
#150
Originally Posted by DrPete
A 4-hour century with an experienced, cooperative group is believable. .
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