New frame help??
04-14-07 | 02:18 AM
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Bikes: Steve Potts SS, Moots YBB, Pinarello Road, Litespeed Tuscany
New frame help??
Hello all, I’ve just purchased a 2005 Litespeed Tuscany frame and I need some input. I hope this is the Forum to post in.
Here goes, I’m planning to pull my Veloce (because that’s all I have) group off my aluminum Pinarello and put that on the Litespeed. I need to get a fork, post, internal headset, BB, and front derailleur due to the fact that present ones will not fit. I know I need a 68mm English thread BB, but I wonder what size. I’ll be using a non-external (older) type and the one I have measures approx. 112mm. I’m assuming the Pinarello is Italian thread and will not work. I can pull it and try though. Just wonder if it’s long enough. Next I need to deal with the headset. I’ll get the typical 1 1/8” internal, but will any brand do or will only a specific one fit? Post, derailleur, and fork shouldn’t be a big deal. I know the sizes and price will dictate my choices. On the fork, I’m looking at the Reynold Ouzo pro 40 or 45. Price is good and looks like it will be a clean fit. I wonder what one 40 or 45. Litespeed specs a 40 for the 2005 Tuscany though. I’m leaning to the 40 over the 45, but I don’t know enough about it all. Sounds like a 73 with a 45 will be sketchy, I'll get the 40 and keep it smooth.
Thanks for all the help, with any luck I’ll have the frame in a week or so.
Here goes, I’m planning to pull my Veloce (because that’s all I have) group off my aluminum Pinarello and put that on the Litespeed. I need to get a fork, post, internal headset, BB, and front derailleur due to the fact that present ones will not fit. I know I need a 68mm English thread BB, but I wonder what size. I’ll be using a non-external (older) type and the one I have measures approx. 112mm. I’m assuming the Pinarello is Italian thread and will not work. I can pull it and try though. Just wonder if it’s long enough. Next I need to deal with the headset. I’ll get the typical 1 1/8” internal, but will any brand do or will only a specific one fit? Post, derailleur, and fork shouldn’t be a big deal. I know the sizes and price will dictate my choices. On the fork, I’m looking at the Reynold Ouzo pro 40 or 45. Price is good and looks like it will be a clean fit. I wonder what one 40 or 45. Litespeed specs a 40 for the 2005 Tuscany though. I’m leaning to the 40 over the 45, but I don’t know enough about it all. Sounds like a 73 with a 45 will be sketchy, I'll get the 40 and keep it smooth.
Thanks for all the help, with any luck I’ll have the frame in a week or so.
04-14-07 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by oilman_15106
Ever thought about separate paragraphs for each subject. Looks like an ebay listing where the seller is trying to snooker someone.
George
04-14-07 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dingoe
Hello all, I’ve just purchased a 2005 Litespeed Tuscany frame and I need some input. I hope this is the Forum to post in.
Here goes, I’m planning to pull my Veloce (because that’s all I have) group off my aluminum Pinarello and put that on the Litespeed. I need to get a fork, post, internal headset, BB, and front derailleur due to the fact that present ones will not fit. I know I need a 68mm English thread BB, but I wonder what size. I’ll be using a non-external (older) type and the one I have measures approx. 112mm. I’m assuming the Pinarello is Italian thread and will not work. I can pull it and try though. Just wonder if it’s long enough. Next I need to deal with the headset. I’ll get the typical 1 1/8” internal, but will any brand do or will only a specific one fit? Post, derailleur, and fork shouldn’t be a big deal. I know the sizes and price will dictate my choices. On the fork, I’m looking at the Reynold Ouzo pro 40 or 45. Price is good and looks like it will be a clean fit. I wonder what one 40 or 45. Litespeed specs a 40 for the 2005 Tuscany though. I’m leaning to the 40 over the 45, but I don’t know enough about it all. Sounds like a 73 with a 45 will be sketchy, I'll get the 40 and keep it smooth.
Thanks for all the help, with any luck I’ll have the frame in a week or so.
Here goes, I’m planning to pull my Veloce (because that’s all I have) group off my aluminum Pinarello and put that on the Litespeed. I need to get a fork, post, internal headset, BB, and front derailleur due to the fact that present ones will not fit. I know I need a 68mm English thread BB, but I wonder what size. I’ll be using a non-external (older) type and the one I have measures approx. 112mm. I’m assuming the Pinarello is Italian thread and will not work. I can pull it and try though. Just wonder if it’s long enough. Next I need to deal with the headset. I’ll get the typical 1 1/8” internal, but will any brand do or will only a specific one fit? Post, derailleur, and fork shouldn’t be a big deal. I know the sizes and price will dictate my choices. On the fork, I’m looking at the Reynold Ouzo pro 40 or 45. Price is good and looks like it will be a clean fit. I wonder what one 40 or 45. Litespeed specs a 40 for the 2005 Tuscany though. I’m leaning to the 40 over the 45, but I don’t know enough about it all. Sounds like a 73 with a 45 will be sketchy, I'll get the 40 and keep it smooth.
Thanks for all the help, with any luck I’ll have the frame in a week or so.
What you are asking is about spindle length. Spindle length is a function of seat tube diameter and whether you are going with a double or triple crankset...you didn't say. Campy Veloce BB spindle on a 28.6mm seat tube is typically 111mm and symmetric. The Litespeed is likely English thread. You maybe surpised but many late model Italian bikes have English BB's as well.
Hopefully a Litespeed owner on the board can recommend a headset.
Lastly the numbers for forks you are throwing out are for rake/offset. This of course affects trail and therefore handling. I personally would replicate what Litespeed sells from the factory. If Litespeed spec's a 40, then consider getting a 40. Btw your comparison of fork offset and sta angle doesn't necessarily relate.
Be sure to check on their website to confirm the spec the same fork for all frame sizes...sometimes it changes for larger frames.
Good Luck with your build. Tuscany + Veloce = Nice bike.
George
Last edited by biker7; 04-15-07 at 04:56 AM.
04-14-07 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dingoe
Hello all, I’ve just purchased a 2005 Litespeed Tuscany frame and I need some input. I hope this is the Forum to post in.
Here goes, I’m planning to pull my Veloce (because that’s all I have) group off my aluminum Pinarello and put that on the Litespeed. I need to get a fork, post, internal headset, BB, and front derailleur due to the fact that present ones will not fit. I know I need a 68mm English thread BB, but I wonder what size. I’ll be using a non-external (older) type and the one I have measures approx. 112mm. I’m assuming the Pinarello is Italian thread and will not work. I can pull it and try though. Just wonder if it’s long enough. Next I need to deal with the headset. I’ll get the typical 1 1/8” internal, but will any brand do or will only a specific one fit? Post, derailleur, and fork shouldn’t be a big deal. I know the sizes and price will dictate my choices. On the fork, I’m looking at the Reynold Ouzo pro 40 or 45. Price is good and looks like it will be a clean fit. I wonder what one 40 or 45. Litespeed specs a 40 for the 2005 Tuscany though. I’m leaning to the 40 over the 45, but I don’t know enough about it all. Sounds like a 73 with a 45 will be sketchy, I'll get the 40 and keep it smooth.
Thanks for all the help, with any luck I’ll have the frame in a week or so.
Here goes, I’m planning to pull my Veloce (because that’s all I have) group off my aluminum Pinarello and put that on the Litespeed. I need to get a fork, post, internal headset, BB, and front derailleur due to the fact that present ones will not fit. I know I need a 68mm English thread BB, but I wonder what size. I’ll be using a non-external (older) type and the one I have measures approx. 112mm. I’m assuming the Pinarello is Italian thread and will not work. I can pull it and try though. Just wonder if it’s long enough. Next I need to deal with the headset. I’ll get the typical 1 1/8” internal, but will any brand do or will only a specific one fit? Post, derailleur, and fork shouldn’t be a big deal. I know the sizes and price will dictate my choices. On the fork, I’m looking at the Reynold Ouzo pro 40 or 45. Price is good and looks like it will be a clean fit. I wonder what one 40 or 45. Litespeed specs a 40 for the 2005 Tuscany though. I’m leaning to the 40 over the 45, but I don’t know enough about it all. Sounds like a 73 with a 45 will be sketchy, I'll get the 40 and keep it smooth.
Thanks for all the help, with any luck I’ll have the frame in a week or so.
Spend as much as you want for the headset. I haven't really seen a bad one.
04-14-07 | 06:19 PM
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OP, I pulled this out of my library as I have been down the same road:
VELOCE/CENTAUR™ Bottom Bracket ITA, ENG ; 111, 115.5 mm cartridge b.b. - hollow axle- light alloy cups - axle L. 111 mm for double crankset - axle L.111 mm for triple crankset with seat tube Ø 28.6 mm - axle L. 115.5 mm for triple crankset with oversize seat tube Ø 32 or 35 mm 233 gr
As mentioned in my previous post, your Tuscany likely has a seat tube dia = 28.6mm so you would need a 111mm symmetrical spindle length. Keep in mind if you are mixing Campy stuff...for example, many like the Campy Record BB for square spindle applications that the spindle length for the high end stuff is different and sometimes asymmetric depending if it is double or triple. In the large picture this is only a couple of mm diff but none the less matters when running high X-chain angles on bikes with shortish chain stays in particular.
HTH,
George
VELOCE/CENTAUR™ Bottom Bracket ITA, ENG ; 111, 115.5 mm cartridge b.b. - hollow axle- light alloy cups - axle L. 111 mm for double crankset - axle L.111 mm for triple crankset with seat tube Ø 28.6 mm - axle L. 115.5 mm for triple crankset with oversize seat tube Ø 32 or 35 mm 233 gr
As mentioned in my previous post, your Tuscany likely has a seat tube dia = 28.6mm so you would need a 111mm symmetrical spindle length. Keep in mind if you are mixing Campy stuff...for example, many like the Campy Record BB for square spindle applications that the spindle length for the high end stuff is different and sometimes asymmetric depending if it is double or triple. In the large picture this is only a couple of mm diff but none the less matters when running high X-chain angles on bikes with shortish chain stays in particular.
HTH,
George
04-16-07 | 09:29 PM
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Thanks for the info guys and sorry I’m so late getting back. I ended up getting in touch with the Litespeed staff today and they confirmed that the 111mm BB 68 English thread is what I needed.
As for the headset, looks like I’ll go with the Cane Creek IS-2 or IS-6 and they said that would work just fine.
On the fork, I got a deal on a Reynolds Ouzo Comp yesterday, so I took my chances. Litespeed staff indicated that the 40mm was ideal for that year, but the 43mm I picked up will work just fine. I’ve been riding a very stiff and reactive Pinarello so this should still be a joy to ride.
Thanks aging for all the help. I broke it down this time hope it helped.
Ed
As for the headset, looks like I’ll go with the Cane Creek IS-2 or IS-6 and they said that would work just fine.
On the fork, I got a deal on a Reynolds Ouzo Comp yesterday, so I took my chances. Litespeed staff indicated that the 40mm was ideal for that year, but the 43mm I picked up will work just fine. I’ve been riding a very stiff and reactive Pinarello so this should still be a joy to ride.
Thanks aging for all the help. I broke it down this time hope it helped.
Ed
