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joejack951 05-19-18 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by kbarch (Post 20348261)
The wheels look a little better now with fresh tires and without the reflectors, and I'm indifferent to both the old and new drivetrains, but overall, I liked it better the way you got it originally. It looked more natural. The new look is too much like a facelift, but fortunately not as creepy.

The wheels in that original shot are somewhere collecting dust. The 6 speed Helicomatic freewheel isn't quite my thing and someone had drilled out the rims to use Schraeder valves so I lost any temptation to rebuild them using modern hubs. See my response to noodle soup for current and future wheel info.

As far as the look, there is something 'natural' about downtube shifters and non-aero brake levers on a skinny tube steel frame but I had the bike in that form for ~5 years hanging in the garage. I never once took it down to go for a ride other than up and down my street to make sure the frame was the right size for me and worth keeping. With the 'facelift' the bike has far more appeal to me and actually gets used.


Originally Posted by raisinberry777 (Post 20348285)
Burning hot. I love it.

:beer:

Fox Farm 05-20-18 12:35 AM


Originally Posted by raisinberry777 (Post 20348285)
Burning hot. I love it.

Not for me. There is an uncoordinated mix of black and silver components

noodle soup 05-20-18 12:44 AM


Originally Posted by joejack951 (Post 20349522)
It is surprisingly hard to find a high quality -17 degree silver stem, hard enough that I had to make my own starting with a black Kalloy Uno. So you won't be seeing a black stem on this bike any time soon :) I had a -6 degree Ritchey Classic on it for a while but couldn't stand the mismatched angles.

Which cages would you recommend? I had the Elite's in the parts bin and they had some red and polished highlights so I thought they worked ok, but I'm willing to change them out for a more fitting look.


Thanks for the compliments on everything else!



Can't disagree there, at least not on the crank. Which would you mount, keeping in mind I want something designed for 11 speed and with compact rings? The derailleurs I can live with as I don't think the silver 105 derailleur would look much better with its dull silver finish. Polishing what I have would be a lot of work for little gain.



Nah, it needs what Timo says. I want it to have some classic-ness and too much black would ruin any chance of that, I think.



Thanks! It is a Ritchey Classic in polished silver:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/960/4...63b54744_c.jpg



Look really closely at the NDS crank arm and you can see a little vestige of the clear polycarbonate bike balancer I made so that I don't need to Photoshop out a stand or lean my bike against something for these glamour shots.

If it ever stops raining here and if my work schedule gets a little less hectic I will get some more miles on this bike. It is fun to ride even with all the carbon I also have in the garage.

Velo Orange has some cranksets you might like.

https://velo-orange.com/collections/...rankset-34x48t

seau grateau 05-20-18 02:52 AM


Originally Posted by joejack951 (Post 20349522)
Thanks! It is a Ritchey Classic in polished silver:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/960/4...63b54744_c.jpg

:thumb: Thanks, I've been trying to decide on a new handlebar recently. The bend on those drops looks perfect. I'll have to keep an eye out for one.

02Giant 05-20-18 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Fox Farm (Post 20349710)
Not for me. There is an uncoordinated mix of black and silver components

^^^This^^^

That crankset is so out of place with that frame.

shoota 05-20-18 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Fox Farm (Post 20349710)
Not for me. There is an uncoordinated mix of black and silver components

Agreed. Not quite hot. Needs all black or all silver.

noodle soup 05-20-18 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by shoota (Post 20349975)
Agreed. Not quite hot. Needs all black or all silver.

I think the owner was trying to keep the original styling, but using modern components.

shoota 05-20-18 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 20349984)
I think the owner was trying to keep the original styling, but using modern components.

I get that. It just doesn't look right.

noodle soup 05-20-18 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by shoota (Post 20350141)
I get that. It just doesn't look right.

I concur.

It didn't look right back then, and it still doesn't. I like the bike, but it deserves all silver, and ditch that threadless headset & stem.

joejack951 05-20-18 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 20350148)
I concur.

It didn't look right back then, and it still doesn't. I like the bike, but it deserves all silver

I'll get to work on a silver crankset and swap the back rear derailleur for a silver one I have for another project which should look ok with the black one. This will bring the bike more in line with the original (though oddly you say you don't like the original, but perhaps you dislike the brake calipers, headset, and levers in black?). The Velo Orange cranksets aren't my style. I'd have bought a 5 arm Campy Potenza silver crankset already if it weren't for the Power Torque design. I'm not crazy about the new 4 arm style for this bike. Might as well go cheap and use a 105 silver crankset in that case. Anyone know if a Centaur 10 speed crank would shift ok with an 11 speed chain? Those look perfect and are UT cranks.


Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 20350148)
and ditch that threadless headset & stem.

How do you suppose I'm using a threadless headset with the original threaded fork? See here: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...n-headset.html

noodle soup 05-20-18 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by joejack951 (Post 20350939)
Anyone know if a Centaur 10 speed crank would shift ok with an 11 speed chain? Those look perfect and are UT cranks.

Why not get an Athena crankset.

joejack951 05-20-18 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 20350950)
Why not get an Athena crankset.

They don't seem to be all that readily available (at least not for a price I'm willing to pay) otherwise that looks perfect.

noodle soup 05-20-18 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by joejack951 (Post 20350939)
How do you suppose I'm using a threadless headset with the original threaded fork? See here: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...n-headset.html

Okay, that makes the threadless stem unforgivable.

Kimmo 05-20-18 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by joejack951 (Post 20350939)
Anyone know if a Centaur 10 speed crank would shift ok with an 11 speed chain?

Should be fine; the accepted wisdom is that you can generally get away with one size narrower chain with no problems.

Kimmo 05-20-18 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 20350974)
Okay, that makes the threadless stem unforgivable.

Yep, anyone wanting to rock 31.8 bars on an old-school bike should have to take the fork to a frame builder to get a new steerer fitted and get the fork repainted, or face the firing squad.

Pirkaus 05-21-18 04:00 AM

You can use this Ritchey Carbon if you're not afraid it might explode.

Kimmo 05-21-18 06:48 AM

Columbus Minimal is heaps lighter

Pirkaus 05-21-18 07:42 AM

Strong, heavy, expensive, choose 2

Timo 2.0 05-21-18 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by Pirkaus (Post 20351406)
You can use this Ritchey Carbon if you're not afraid it might explode.

I've got one of those in my Merlin. Superb fork

joejack951 05-21-18 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 20350974)
Okay, that makes the threadless stem unforgivable.

Did you mean the opposite of what you typed?

noodle soup 05-21-18 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by joejack951 (Post 20352174)
Did you mean the opposite of what you typed?

no.

joejack951 05-21-18 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 20352191)
no.

Clearly a man of few words. But I'll ask anyway...care to explain the 'unforgivable' comment?

redlude97 05-21-18 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by joejack951 (Post 20352207)
Clearly a man of few words. But I'll ask anyway...care to explain the 'unforgivable' comment?

To me it seems like if you have the knowledge and skill to make a threadless stem adapter, you would have been better off making a period appropriate quill stem that mounts to a modern drop bar. Threadless stems IMO don't look as good on old thin tubing frames

Pirkaus 05-21-18 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Timo 2.0 (Post 20352147)
I've got one of those in my Merlin. Superb fork

I have one on my Serotta Nova Special X
very nice ridding fork.

noodle soup 05-21-18 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by joejack951 (Post 20352207)
Clearly a man of few words. But I'll ask anyway...care to explain the 'unforgivable' comment?

I was joking about it being “unforgivable”, but promotion of a product that you produce and sell is what I was referring to. It’s actually an interesting product, but it doesn’t help your bike look hot.

Resto-mod bikes are a touchy subject.


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