&^#$*@! Joggers!
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Many make the same claim concerning bikes.
When I was a young buck running 3-10 miles a day, I ran with traffic. The facing traffic thing comes from an irrational fear of not seeing what is behind you, IMO.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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At a traffic signal, a pedestrian shall cross only on the proper pedestrian signal indication or green indication. [720 CMR 9.09 (1,2)] Pedestrians shall attempt to use the right half of crosswalks, must use sidewalks, pedestrian tunnels and overpasses when provided, shall walk along the left shoulder of an undivided highway and the right shoulder of a divided highway [720 CMR 9.09 (4)]. These are regulations for state highways. Local ordinances may differ.
https://www.massbike.org/bikelaw/masumm.htm
Don't know if I can find my local ordinances online
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Well if you ran on the right, with traffic behind you, you are extremely fortunate to have progressed from a "young buck" to "old buck"
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Why is that? Why was it any more risky than riding a bike with traffic?
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
#32
Actually, the law does require pedestrians to walk on the left side when they are in the roadway. Here is the relevant Pennsylvania statute, for example:
§ 3544. Pedestrians walking along or on highway.
(a) Mandatory use of available sidewalk.--Where a sidewalk is provided and its use is practicable, it is unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
(b) Absence of sidewalk.--Where a sidewalk is not available, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall walk only on a shoulder as far as practicable from the edge of the roadway.
(c) Absence of sidewalk and shoulder.--Where neither a sidewalk nor a shoulder is available, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall walk as near as practicable to an outside edge of the roadway and, if on a two-way roadway, shall walk only on the left side of the roadway.
(d) Right-of-way to vehicles.--Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, any pedestrian upon a roadway shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.
§ 3544. Pedestrians walking along or on highway.
(a) Mandatory use of available sidewalk.--Where a sidewalk is provided and its use is practicable, it is unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
(b) Absence of sidewalk.--Where a sidewalk is not available, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall walk only on a shoulder as far as practicable from the edge of the roadway.
(c) Absence of sidewalk and shoulder.--Where neither a sidewalk nor a shoulder is available, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall walk as near as practicable to an outside edge of the roadway and, if on a two-way roadway, shall walk only on the left side of the roadway.
(d) Right-of-way to vehicles.--Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, any pedestrian upon a roadway shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.
Last edited by Febs; 07-01-09 at 12:41 PM.
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Now this is unhappy, rush hour traffic and having to suicide squeeze between a jogger running toward me in the bike lane and the metro buss trying to run me in to the parked cars. At least if they are running with traffic I can slow till it is safe to pass, running toward me that option is out of the mix. Oh well if this is my biggest problem, my life is cake.
#34
Its been my observation that todays old people in the United States seem to think the world revolves around them. Everyone else can eat $#!+ and is just in their way. Your experience does not suprise me. I have had similar.
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Correction, old people just don't give a hang, the're old. How else do you explain out-a-shape-to-freakishly-deformed old dudes in the gym that are far more comfortable with their nudity than anyone who many happen a glance.
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For ChipCom's benefit, here is an excerpt from Ohio's Digest of Motor Vehicle Laws, https://publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/hsy7607.pdf
WALKING ALONG ROADWAY
When usable walks or paths parallel to the street or highway are present, pedestrians shall not walk in, along or upon the vehicular portion of the roadway. When there is no usable sidewalk, pedestrians are required to walk on the road’s shoulder or berm where possible. When this is not possible, they must walk as near as possible to the edge of the road, facing oncoming traffic. These requirements apply to joggers as well as walkers.
When usable walks or paths parallel to the street or highway are present, pedestrians shall not walk in, along or upon the vehicular portion of the roadway. When there is no usable sidewalk, pedestrians are required to walk on the road’s shoulder or berm where possible. When this is not possible, they must walk as near as possible to the edge of the road, facing oncoming traffic. These requirements apply to joggers as well as walkers.
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Because you are moving slower and are less visible (in most cases). I could not imagine myself having the nerve to walk down an actual road (not subdivision) with traffic approaching me from behind at 55 mph.
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So the answer is, if they're in your way they're doing it wrong.
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If you are afraid, don't know how to use your hearing or your eyes or don't do what is necessary to make yourself visible, those are your crosses to bear.
Also, in case you didn't realize it, all roads do not have traffic moving at 55mph +
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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Well the previous post that quoted the Pennsylvania law said this: "(d) Right-of-way to vehicles.--Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, any pedestrian upon a roadway shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway."
So the answer is, if they're in your way they're doing it wrong.
So the answer is, if they're in your way they're doing it wrong.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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Didn't you know that them joggers are taking falls for pro wrestlers on the side?
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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well hello there

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If it makes you feel any better, jobbers bug me too.
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Own a gas station?
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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You didn't answer the question...unless you are saying that you ride your bike facing traffic too. Do you?
If you are afraid, don't know how to use your hearing or your eyes or don't do what is necessary to make yourself visible, those are your crosses to bear.
Also, in case you didn't realize it, all roads do not have traffic moving at 55mph +
If you are afraid, don't know how to use your hearing or your eyes or don't do what is necessary to make yourself visible, those are your crosses to bear.
Also, in case you didn't realize it, all roads do not have traffic moving at 55mph +
I said "because you are moving slower and are less visible in most cases"
#49
what burns my ass cheeks is when you get someone riding a bike against traffic in the bike lane, I don't even want to go into what types of people I typically see doing this but it happens often in my town and the people are oblivious to the little bike sign and arrow onto the road.
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Try again.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey





