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Old 09-28-09 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bdcheung
Red herring.
Not quite. Being able to compare similar experiences will allow one to make a safe extrapolation. Not being able to do so will lead to speculation from misunderstanding.

That said, you implying that I assume too much, or make an invalid point, cannot be based on anything other than speculation unless you share a similar experience.

I do not need to be one of the riders to understand what is going on in their head.
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Old 09-28-09 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonoma76
There's a difference between cycling legally on a road and taking up the entire roadway and illegally racing on it for a couple of hours.
When I have ridden on the famous SoCal motorcycling roads such as Mullholland by the Rock Store I have found the motorcyclists to be fairly polite. Much better than up here in the bay area. On climbs I move as far to the right as is safe when I hear them coming. If they catch me on a descent I'll move over and wave them by when it's safe to do so. They generally leave me plenty of clearance and I often get a wave in return for letting them by on descents.

They can only take up the entire roadway if you get intimidated and get off the road for them. There's no need to do that. They're not going to hit you.
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Old 09-28-09 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by calamarichris
There are irresponsible cyclists (moto & pedal) all over. You can't point to the actions of a few and judge an entire group.
I sure don't like it when I see one of ours blitzing red lights or taking-a-lane of a 50+ mph two-lane road (willfully inconveniencing and sometimes endangering anyone stuck behind them), just as much as I mislike seeing your (lame) video.
What were these motorcyclists doing wrong, exactly? They were annoyingly loud, and it is indeed against the law to change the exhaust pipe on their motorcycles.
Speeding? How fast were they going?
What was the speed limit on that road? (They white-sign speed limit, not the yellow-sign advisory limit.)

Pedal-partisans may claim it's perfectly legal for them to ride two-abreast or take-a-lane, even as traffic backs up behind them. But this is just as irresponsible & dangerous, and only sows hostility & hatred like the OP seems to have for these 'super bikers'. Did you know that the yellow speed limit signs (they usually say 25 or 35) around many corners are advisory speed limits, and are not binding or citable? Even if the yellow sign says 25, if it's a public highway, the actual speed limit is 55, or whatever the most recent white sign decreed.

There are responsible, reasonable cyclists (pedal & motor) out there too. We have a lot more in common with those people than you might think.
I know this SN. Did you frequent the CW boards and the giga-forums?
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Old 09-28-09 | 12:54 PM
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They can only take up the entire roadway if you get intimidated and get off the road for them. There's no need to do that. They're not going to hit you.
Riiiiight...I should just trust them to not hit me when they're clearly piloting their bikes on the edge of their performance envelope (not to mention using both lanes).

Aside from that, i agree with you. But these weren't normal motorcyclists. I share the road with harley guys and normal sport bikes all the time. These guys were racing. Just "wave them by"? They're going too fast!
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Old 09-28-09 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by plodderslusk
I have never encountered bike riders in a group like that in Norway. Really scary! The bikers here have a regular café stop on a road used by a lot of bicyclists on the weekends. There might be hundreds of bikers at the stop sometimes. I have never seen anything but polite and friendly driving from them around us cyclists. The US are usually 10-15 years ahead of us, hope this trend never comes here.
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Old 09-28-09 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by silversx80
Not quite. Being able to compare similar experiences will allow one to make a safe extrapolation. Not being able to do so will lead to speculation from misunderstanding.

That said, you implying that I assume too much, or make an invalid point, cannot be based on anything other than speculation unless you share a similar experience.

I do not need to be one of the riders to understand what is going on in their head.
congratulations.

you win the bikeforums september F.O.S. award.

here's your prize.

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Old 09-28-09 | 01:29 PM
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I'm going tp lock this for awhile. The arguments seem to be pretty circuitous at best and the signal to noise ratio is unfavorable to the extreme.
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