I've seen a couple TdF guys running Nokon; how do they hold up for daily use with the newest shifters?

I have never heard of anyone having any better performance with aftermarket cable sets. Campy just got it right with theirs...

Wow - what is wrong with Jagwire or any other mid-level teflon lined housing? If you're having problems with it, you're not changing them often enough! Replacing cables and housing is the cheapest and easier way to improve the shifting on a well used bike. Are you people greasing your cables or something??

I have seen DaveSSS - a self-proclaimed campyphile - claim that he has gotten much better shift performance on Campy 11 by using Yokozuna. There is such small movement in the 11 speed cable response that small amounts of friction can cause system issues.

I have no first hand knowledge of that however. In general I would agree with the statement that Campy just "got it right".

I went from new <400 miles, Jagwire to Yokozuna and noticed a slight improvement. The shifter housing on the Yokozuna look the same as any other shifter housing. They say they are jet-lubed... but when I shoved the cable through I was expecting to see some lube come out.... there was something in there,.... but whatever lube is in there... is really light.

The Yokozuna brake cables.... they are stiff (as everyone knows) and I felt a slight improvment on lever action.... and a more pronounced improvement on brake stiffness.

I got a set of Yokozuna when PBK had the 15% off sale.... I can say new for new, well setup standard die-drawn cables (like Jagwire) work very well. If your housing ends are ground properly, the internal liners expanded properly, and the brake cables ground flat and perpendicular you can get really good performance from standard cables.

I was a shop wrench for years and actually like changing cables. I am of the opinion that you lube your cables and use wet-lube like Triflow on all my cables.

If I were to do it again, I would just opt to get Dura-Ace cables, Campy Cables, or the like and just replace them more often. Die-drawn cables (the process of flattening/smoothing out the outer surface of the cable) makes most current cables very slick. Campy and Shimano cables are tight wound and not die-drawn as far as I know.

For the $60 I spent on Yokozuna's I was not impressed by the slight increase in performance.

(All of this pertains to running cables on a 6700 group)

I'd be curious to know if he still felt that way compared to the new "Ultra shift" 11-speed specific cable sets. From what I understand, that's all Campy provides now for 10-speed replacement parts.

I've got a set waiting to install on my 10-speed drivetrain, but the old ones last so long it might be a while before I get to it...

I run Yokozuna Reaction cables on a Campagnolo 10-speed setup (Chorus/Centaur mix) and the improvement in shift quality over OEM Campy is slight (though the degradation over this season has been markedly less than with the OEM stuff), and the braking is markedly improved over stock cables and housing.

So can you use it with 7800?

I know that 7900 are friction sensitive and these were made to address this issue. It would seem that they are the best cables because of the grease?

Yes, you can use the 7900 cables with 7800. You'll have a couple of leftover ferrules. I don't believe anything else is different.

I don't know what grease you're referring to.

i bought groupsets of 105 5600 last year and i bought ultegra 6700 this year. both shifters came with sp41 cables and both shift really really well. really well. i say again really well. the front on the ultegra shifts better though.

The 7900 shift cable set features all stainless steel cables and enough Shimano grease impregnated housing to re-cable your derailleurs. The 7900 housing package includes the aluminum ferrules required for the Shimano 7900 shift levers. Everything you need to keep your 7900 derailleurs shifting silky smooth.

As another poster said, the housing is the same between the 7800 and 7900 packages.

Thanks All, good suggestions. But I want some pretty colors damit

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It would seem that these cables are better than the others due to grease and would be my first choice since I have Shimano.
The only draw back is that they cost $40+/-.

do the shimano SIS cables come in colours other than black?

Gray

Do you guys lube the Yokozunas? Mine have a few months on them now and although they say not to, it seems strange not to especially during the winter.

I haven't lube mine and I have not noticed degradation of shift performance.

I bought a 6700 equipped bike in early april. After less than 2,000 miles, the rear shifting was complete crap (very heavy effort to downshift, like it was stuck). The bike came with Jagwire.

I put new Jagwire housings and cables on it. I thought about going with some higher end stuff, but I can re-cable it with Jagwire for under $20. Shifts great again, we'll see how long it lasts. The orignal cable job wasn't great with a tight bend at the rear and extra cable up front, so I hope this time will last longer.

I did have quite a few rain days on the bike that probably caused some issues, but my 5600 equipped bike has over twice the miles with a bunch of rain days and it still shifts like new.

The Shimano cable/housing may be made by Yokozuna. I think Yoko is an OEM supplier.

On Gore Ride-On failures, if you have less than 10,000 mi on a cable-housing set, demand a replacement and demand YOUR SELLER SEND THE CABLE/HOUSINGS BACK TO GORE.

Gore is a world-leader in user/satisfaction/dissatisfaction evaluation and continuous improvement.
if somebody else is making better products, they either figure out how to do a better job, or exit the field, the majority of the time it is the former. They really back their stuff for purchasers' benefit. If they decide, "We don't want to do this," you get a full refund. If they decide to give product-improvement a shot, you get their new product. It's their culture to put stuff on the market, use you as their test pilots, at their cost. Ride Ons are excellent, but Gore is new to this. Are Yokos better? They very well may be. But not for long, if Gore gets your feedback, and thinks it wants to stick with bike cables for the time being.

If an LBS just charges you for another set of cable/housings and dumps your Ride Ons in the dumpster, that's bad practice, it's depriving Gore of essential feedback. If you have to buy new cable/housings, send the old ones to Gore on your own dime, and report what happened. If there is a truly short product-failure time-and-use, they will recompense you.