The Cult of CAAD...
08-24-13 | 07:21 PM
#6652
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From: Hampton, VA
If you would have explained this bike to me without a pic I would have had a really ugly image in my head thinking how much red you used. Looking at it though, I like it a lot. I say good job with the red.
08-24-13 | 07:48 PM
#6653
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CAAD's can climb.
https://www.strava.com/activities/75209768
https://www.strava.com/activities/75209768
08-24-13 | 10:14 PM
#6654
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Joined: Oct 2012
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From: West Gippy, Australia
Bikes: 2017 Ridley Noah SL - Candy Apple DA9000, 2011 CAAD10 Berzerker Ult6800, 2013 FOCUS Mares CX Ult6800
CAAD's can climb.
https://www.strava.com/activities/75209768
https://www.strava.com/activities/75209768
My CAAD10 can climb also - pity that the rider cannot!!! That's a nice ride too mate.
cheers
08-25-13 | 05:28 AM
#6655
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From: Snow Hill NC
Bikes: Trek Madone 2.1
I have a question about CAAD aluminum VS Carbon frame bikes...I am a newbie yes...Is it safe to say that you can presume that a CAAD 8 or 10 frame is light enough and sturdy enough to be a better choice than a carbon frame bike...My CAAD8 is the least expensive i could get with the 2300 groupset but for me as a noobie it is a REALLY nice bike, i know i will want to upgrade eventually Maybe even the Synapse perhaps but i was actually looking at maybe the CAAD10 rival or Ultegra and it seems to be a great bike....Is there really any reason for me to go to carbon...frame at all ...the weight difference isn't that much and probably wouldn't make a difference for the guy like me using it for exercise and nice 25-50 mile rides on the weekend....
08-25-13 | 06:23 AM
#6656
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Bikes: Cannondale CAAD10 Team, Giant TCR
The CAAD10 is a very good aluminum frame, beating most other mid-end carbon frames in terms of weight and stiffness. The CAAD8 is Cannondale's "entry-level" aluminum frame. It shares a lot of engineering developments with the CAAD10, with a little weight penalty. Also, the geometry of the CAAD8 is a little more relaxed compared to the CAAD10 - similar to the SuperSix vs. Synapse. But there's nothing entry-level about it's performance (compared to Walmart and Costco bikes).
IMO, if you get the CAAD10 in the future, you might not want to go carbon for a long time. Many people (mostly criterium racers) already on carbon bikes traded theirs in for a CAAD10. Same performance for half the cost, without the fear of "breaking" your race rig.
It's the main reason why I went with the CAAD10 over a SuperSix. Haven't regretted that decision.
IMO, if you get the CAAD10 in the future, you might not want to go carbon for a long time. Many people (mostly criterium racers) already on carbon bikes traded theirs in for a CAAD10. Same performance for half the cost, without the fear of "breaking" your race rig.
It's the main reason why I went with the CAAD10 over a SuperSix. Haven't regretted that decision.
08-25-13 | 07:12 AM
#6657
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From: Texas
I would confidently say they are worry free as long as you use common sense. I can take my car down any mountain road around here, but if I ride the brakes in the car for miles on end I'll burn up the rotors. That being said, in all the carbon clinchers we have sold this year all throughout the world we have had one failure due to heat build up. It was from a 200+ pound rider who descended a 2.5 mile 10% average grade mountain. Normal times for this descent are around high 3 minutes to mid 4 minutes, it took him over 9 minutes to go down. He averaged 16.7mph (on a 10% downhill!). There was a prolonged period of time where he was going 12mph. Finally after 9 minutes of this the rear wheel finally started to bow outward a bit. He had thought it was just out of true when he sent it to us. The front wheel was perfectly fine which means he was really dragging that rear brake (which is even worse for heat build up).
So, we can't say they are "indestructible" (which we never tried to) and still encourage people to know proper braking technique. But I am confident the rims withstand just as good as any other carbon rim out there, even comparing to the companies who state they have never had a failure (despite there being two separate claims of them failing on Slowtwitch in the past week).
So, we can't say they are "indestructible" (which we never tried to) and still encourage people to know proper braking technique. But I am confident the rims withstand just as good as any other carbon rim out there, even comparing to the companies who state they have never had a failure (despite there being two separate claims of them failing on Slowtwitch in the past week).
So what you are saying is that doing something stupid can cause a bad thing to happen? I think the problem is that stupid people that do these sorts of things are too stupid too know when they are being stupid.
The stupid multiplier effect.
08-25-13 | 08:09 AM
#6658
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Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 3,449
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From: Colorado
Bikes: 2014 Evo DA2, 2010 Caad9-4, 2011 Synapse-4, 2013 CaadX-disc
I have a question about CAAD aluminum VS Carbon frame bikes...I am a newbie yes...Is it safe to say that you can presume that a CAAD 8 or 10 frame is light enough and sturdy enough to be a better choice than a carbon frame bike...My CAAD8 is the least expensive i could get with the 2300 groupset but for me as a noobie it is a REALLY nice bike, i know i will want to upgrade eventually Maybe even the Synapse perhaps but i was actually looking at maybe the CAAD10 rival or Ultegra and it seems to be a great bike....Is there really any reason for me to go to carbon...frame at all ...the weight difference isn't that much and probably wouldn't make a difference for the guy like me using it for exercise and nice 25-50 mile rides on the weekend....
That said, however, there is some merit in considering something like a synapse over a caad if it suits your riding style better. The caad is a more aggressive position and race oriented and a synapse is more endurance and long distance oriented. You can, of course race a synapse or do long rides on a caad but it's worth checking them both out to see what you like riding best. I do think the carbon synapse is a better option than the aluminum synapse which I found a lot more flex-y than a caad.
08-25-13 | 08:35 AM
#6659
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Joined: Jun 2013
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From: Snow Hill NC
Bikes: Trek Madone 2.1
I like the geometry of the Synapse but got such a good deal on the CAAD8 that i hated to pass it up...I may sell it or keep it and get a Synapse...I do like the Cannondale brand as a whole, i always have...
08-25-13 | 09:03 AM
#6660
King Hoternot
Joined: Jun 2010
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From: Oregon City, OR
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale Evo Hi mod
Probably not. If you really want a carbon bike then sure, why not. However, I don't think any average person is going to notice much difference between a caad10 and a similar carbon bike. Wheels, tires, air pressure make more of a difference in ride quality and when you are on a well built aluminum bike it's hard to tell much difference. I have a carbon synapse and a caad9 and while the fit is different, it's really hard to tell a difference in ride quality and at times I think the caad is actually the better ride.
That said, however, there is some merit in considering something like a synapse over a caad if it suits your riding style better. The caad is a more aggressive position and race oriented and a synapse is more endurance and long distance oriented. You can, of course race a synapse or do long rides on a caad but it's worth checking them both out to see what you like riding best. I do think the carbon synapse is a better option than the aluminum synapse which I found a lot more flex-y than a caad.
That said, however, there is some merit in considering something like a synapse over a caad if it suits your riding style better. The caad is a more aggressive position and race oriented and a synapse is more endurance and long distance oriented. You can, of course race a synapse or do long rides on a caad but it's worth checking them both out to see what you like riding best. I do think the carbon synapse is a better option than the aluminum synapse which I found a lot more flex-y than a caad.
08-25-13 | 10:07 AM
#6661
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From: Colorado
Bikes: 2014 Evo DA2, 2010 Caad9-4, 2011 Synapse-4, 2013 CaadX-disc
I road a supersix with my own wheels and what you call smooth I call muted - and it was a rather subtle difference. I also felt the BB was stiffer on the caad but hard to rule out placebo effects. And there is a $900 difference between an ultegra caad10 and supersix. Point is, the caad is really nice aluminum bike and it's unlikely one would be able to find a mid-level carbon bike that is obviously superior but there is certainly some subjectivity and personal preference involved.
08-25-13 | 10:10 AM
#6662
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From: Colorado
Bikes: 2014 Evo DA2, 2010 Caad9-4, 2011 Synapse-4, 2013 CaadX-disc
It's worth having two bikes (or more). Your caad8 might serve as a great rain/winter/commuter bike if you bought something else. Might not find something as nice for what you would get selling it.
08-25-13 | 10:12 AM
#6663
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From: location location
Bikes: MBK Super Mirage 1991, CAAD10, Yuba Mundo Lux, and a Cannondale Criterium Single Speed
So I test rode a CAAD 10 the other day, and really like it, but I'd also really like my next bike to have Campy (pref Chorus or better). Any suggestions on my best course of action?
Option 1; Buy CAAD frame, fork on ebay, Campy group, campy-ready wheels, other bits etc separately, assemble.
Option 2: Buy CAAD bike at lbs/rei, buy campy group, wheels etc separately, sell shimano/SRAM group on eBay.
Option 3: Buy CAAD bike, buy Campy bike, switch everything around, keep Campy equipped CAAD, and sell sramano equipped otherbike on eBay/CL/to lbs.
Factors to consider;
1) This'll be a pita for all involved.
2) BB compatibility.
3) headsets might not transfer (who'll notice?)
4) I could very easily get burned/left with a lemon on my hands when it comes time to ebaying items.
Thoughts?
Option 1; Buy CAAD frame, fork on ebay, Campy group, campy-ready wheels, other bits etc separately, assemble.
Option 2: Buy CAAD bike at lbs/rei, buy campy group, wheels etc separately, sell shimano/SRAM group on eBay.
Option 3: Buy CAAD bike, buy Campy bike, switch everything around, keep Campy equipped CAAD, and sell sramano equipped otherbike on eBay/CL/to lbs.
Factors to consider;
1) This'll be a pita for all involved.
2) BB compatibility.
3) headsets might not transfer (who'll notice?)
4) I could very easily get burned/left with a lemon on my hands when it comes time to ebaying items.
Thoughts?
08-25-13 | 11:40 AM
#6665
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Joined: Jun 2013
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From: location location
Bikes: MBK Super Mirage 1991, CAAD10, Yuba Mundo Lux, and a Cannondale Criterium Single Speed
I'm leaning the furthest away from 1. Not only would it be the most expensive option, but also since Cannondale don't offer a frame-only CAAD 10, I'd be picking up a stripped frame on ebay/CL not knowing what's been done with it.
08-25-13 | 11:46 AM
#6666
Fixie Infamous
Joined: Dec 2011
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I got my caad 10 frames set on eBay for 650 shipped, brand new, in a sought after colorway, with warranty and a 350 dollar whisky brand fork. You really just have to keep an eye out.
Edit: oh, and don't be afraid of getting burned on ebay. With feedback, buyer protection, PayPal intervention, credit card charge backs, etc, the buyer always has an out.
08-25-13 | 12:19 PM
#6667
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Joined: Feb 2013
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From: Phoenix, AZ
I'm going to have to go with Nagrom on this one, I think option 2 and 3 would be far more expensive than option 1. Plus you get to build it just as you want it.
08-25-13 | 12:38 PM
#6668
King Hoternot
Joined: Jun 2010
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From: Oregon City, OR
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale Evo Hi mod
What aluminum to carbon? Not all aluminum bikes are equal.
I road a supersix with my own wheels and what you call smooth I call muted - and it was a rather subtle difference. I also felt the BB was stiffer on the caad but hard to rule out placebo effects. And there is a $900 difference between an ultegra caad10 and supersix. Point is, the caad is really nice aluminum bike and it's unlikely one would be able to find a mid-level carbon bike that is obviously superior but there is certainly some subjectivity and personal preference involved.
I road a supersix with my own wheels and what you call smooth I call muted - and it was a rather subtle difference. I also felt the BB was stiffer on the caad but hard to rule out placebo effects. And there is a $900 difference between an ultegra caad10 and supersix. Point is, the caad is really nice aluminum bike and it's unlikely one would be able to find a mid-level carbon bike that is obviously superior but there is certainly some subjectivity and personal preference involved.
08-25-13 | 01:55 PM
#6669
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From: Missouri
Bikes: '12 CAAD10 3, '88 Raleigh Talon
Leinster, I'd go option #1 . I'd love to build up another CAAD10, but use Campy. I was planning on just ordering the frame off of eBay and then order my Campy from Ribble and piece the rest of it up from Ebay, and other sales. I do have a few extra parts that could be used for the new CAAD.
Ebay does have a lot of buyer protection. When you get your frame, or parts, just inspect carefully. I've bought expensive cymbals for drumming, where a slight hairline crack will destroy a cymbal, and I've always been alright. In fact, my current drum set is also from eBay. Just bid smart.
Ebay does have a lot of buyer protection. When you get your frame, or parts, just inspect carefully. I've bought expensive cymbals for drumming, where a slight hairline crack will destroy a cymbal, and I've always been alright. In fact, my current drum set is also from eBay. Just bid smart.
08-25-13 | 02:28 PM
#6670
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Joined: Feb 2013
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From: Phoenix, AZ
Check out Planet Cyclery for groupsets, I thought they had great prices when I was pricing things out for a bike.
https://www.planetcyclery.com/campagnolo-group-sets/
https://www.planetcyclery.com/campagnolo-group-sets/
08-26-13 | 06:30 AM
#6672
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Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 434
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From: Pennsylvania
Bikes: '15 BMC Granfondo '11 Stevens Carbon Team CX, '74 Schwinn Paramount, '85 Trek 600, '89 Schwinn Circuit
Check out this custom Caad9 w/ sram. Selling at LBS for 2K. 63cm
Frame Cannondale CAAD 9 Aluminum
Wheelset Shimano A500
Stem Ritchey X4 Axis
Handlebar Ritchey Logic Curve
Headset Cane Creek
Bar Tape Fizik Green
Crank Sram Force BB 30
Chain Sram 1050
Derailleur Front Sram Rival
Derailleur Back Sram Force
Brakes Sram Rival
Tires Schwalbe Lugano 700x23c
Seat Post Thompson
Saddle Fizik Arione
Shifters Sram Force
Cassette Sram 11-32t
Frame Cannondale CAAD 9 Aluminum
Wheelset Shimano A500
Stem Ritchey X4 Axis
Handlebar Ritchey Logic Curve
Headset Cane Creek
Bar Tape Fizik Green
Crank Sram Force BB 30
Chain Sram 1050
Derailleur Front Sram Rival
Derailleur Back Sram Force
Brakes Sram Rival
Tires Schwalbe Lugano 700x23c
Seat Post Thompson
Saddle Fizik Arione
Shifters Sram Force
Cassette Sram 11-32t
08-26-13 | 09:56 AM
#6675
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Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 434
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From: Pennsylvania
Bikes: '15 BMC Granfondo '11 Stevens Carbon Team CX, '74 Schwinn Paramount, '85 Trek 600, '89 Schwinn Circuit