How about another non profit organization?

I am not a lawyer, but Hincapie's attorney(s) would be guilty of malpractice if they did not get some kinda immunity for him in exchange for his testimony. No immunity, no testimony. And Big George is not stupid, nor an idiot. Once you got the immunity, no screwing around with the facts. And no pleading the 5th either.

Oh don't worry. Tyler got a deal, so will George. Tyler came across as very credible in that 60 Minutes piece by the way. You could tell this whole thing was devastating to him.

The best part of the 60 Minutes piece was Tyler Hamilton's statement that Lance mailed him drugs via DHL.

I wonder how their sponsor (US Postal) felt about the team using DHL to mail drugs? ("We'll take your $32M in sponsorship money, but when it absolutely, positively has to get there on time, we use DHL.")

The other weird thing that happened today is that someone set up a Twitter accounts called @Facts4Lance. All weekend they were sending out pro-Lance statements, as if it was the mouthpiece of Lance's new website, www.Facts4Lance.com. But right when the show started, the account turned against Lance and seemed to be mocking Lance's PR folks for not nailing down the Twitter handle associated with their URL:

They sent out a Tweet right at the beginning of the show stating:
"Tip to the PR masters, the master of disasters! It's 2011, register the twitter handle when you create a website."

At least 3 problems with this approach.

1) Different people would ha ve different reactions to the Peds, and it potentially negates an advantage from someone naturally genetically gifted.

2) they aren't all given the same drug regiment; the team with the best ability to push the limits and still beat the tests has an advantage.

3) it creates a situation where if you want to play the game, you have to take drugs that shorten your life expectancy.

Or I could have saved some keystrokes and suggested you google " SNL All Drug Olympics"

I just got back from my Sunday night transfusion..What the hell did I miss on 60 Minutes tonight??People are going nuts !!!

When you get a subpoena, you get "use immunity" meaning that nothing you say can be used against you unless you lie (talk to Barry Bonds about that). You can still be prosecuted, but the feds would have to show that everything they used came from a source other than the immunized testimony. That's how Oliver North skated during Ronald Reagan's Iran-Contra scandal - he testified to Congress under a subpoena, and then the feds couldn't show that their evidence against him was untainted. Testifying under a subpoena removes the fifth amendment claim.

uhm, you don't get the use immunity, unless they offer it to you. And then you get into issues of use immunity versus transactional immunity.

Simply testifying under a subpeona doesn't resolve the 5th amendment issue.

If I'm subpoenaed to the Grand Jury, I'm holding out for complete immunity, and threatening to go Anderson on them till I get complete immunity.

That wasn't a very good 60 Minutes for cycling

For the feds you're right, except that I've never heard of them subpoenaing a witness to the grand jury without offering use immunity, because it would be a useless exercise. Under Florida law, use immunity under a subpoena is self-executing. Use immunity resolves the fifth amendment problem. Few people get transactional immunity. Tyler said he refused to testify until he got subpoenaed, and I'd bet my favorite jersey it was use immunity he got.

Kastigar v. United States, 406 U.S. 441 (1972)

I should point out that Tyler was well-liked by his peers in the peloton. He was known as a very nice competitor by his peers. As always, LA's hacks are gonna try to trash him. That Fabiani guy was a hack for Tom Bradley when he was mayor of Los Angeles. He also was a Clinton white house hack, and was unbelievably trying to discredit Clinton opponents during the Lewinsky affair.

Fabiani is a bare knuckles hack, and I am waiting to see how he goes after Hincapie.

The guy knows nothing other than smear and attack.

The charecterization of his immunity by the interviewer is certainly consistent with that.

Sure it was, it gave hope to all the budding lance wanna bees that they CAN have a successful cycling career if they are very careful and discreet. Who needs genetics? I got peds!

Yes, that would certainly qualify as a waste of tax dollars, but that doesn't really apply to this particular case, because the USPS funds itself through its products--while it does get some taxpayer money from the government, that money is payment for services and products.

So, if I go out and get some PEDs, I can win the TdF (assuming I don't get caught)? This is one of the stupidest things I've read on BF in the past 10 minutes.

Maybe it was a good sixty minutes.
One thing seems evident, anyone believing Lance was clean is probably delusional. The house of cards is falling and each denial will likely only hurt Lance more.
The real question is if anyone now will learn from these mistakes, will doping simply find new ways of being accomplished. I feel bad for all of them, even Lance, for being drawn into this quagmire.

I think that Hincapie and Hamilton still consider Armstrong a good friend, but had to save themselves from prosecution by cutting deals. It is clear from the interview that Hamilton felt uncomfortable telling the truth about Lance's transgressions. Many times, he did not want to say the words that he has been avoiding for so many years.

+1 -- I did not think that Hamilton was out to do a hack job on Armstrong, especially since he made a point of stating (several times) that all of the major riders were doping. Even so, I like Hincapie's approach better b/c it is one thing to tell the truth to a grand jury and quite another thing to do that and then give public interviews about it.

If it's not a question asked in a public forum, maybe he shouldn't have started this thread anyway. Next to that it's a question, which is allowed here. He can choose whether he answers or not.
I think I have my answer
I think my discussion with my friends has been reopened

Correction - he is fighting it for the big $$$ he still makes via sponsorships, endorsements and other business deals.

"Doing it for Livestrong" - yeesh, will this whole St Lance thing never end?

I agree. He tried to keep making a point that everyone was doing it, but they only wanted to focus on Lance.

I wonder how much money we the tax payers have spent on this witch hunt. Probably more than the sponsorship money was so far.

We have seen the latest coverup by the UCI in the whole Contador Clenbuterol thing.

And that is the stupidest thing I have heard you say, Pcad. Es[ecially given that you are a lawyer.

Please define how much charity one needs to do in order for normal laws not to apply.

I think it was.

And your statement is completely illogical: the testimony of people who have actually doped/beaten the system is disregarded b/c they doped/beat the system. So how do you clean up cycling - get testimony from non-dopers who dont know the specifics of who dopes? I suppose we should also get testimony against the Mafia from the neighborhood priests, b/c the other gangsters have no credibility.

Serious logic fail.

I strongly think that if you have a brain in your head you will realize that there are two LA stories here. The first story is that he's a cheater. And honestly, you don't have to know anything about cycling to understand that and it's simplistic for a reason. There's nothing complicated about cheating. The second story is that he's a survivor. Doping or not, no one can ever take away the impact he's had and the money he's raised to help fight a truly dreadful disease.

I don't think anyone who knows anything about sports assumes that the on-going doping problem or the history of doping, in any sport, is going to resolve itself overnight. But honestly, it's not rocket science.