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patentcad 05-18-12 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 14242173)
Dude, you had trouble with 37 kmh in a thread earlier this week. Too many posts, your brain is fried.

Was making fun of you making fun of the metric system. Joke is still on you though :D

Blow me.

patentcad 05-18-12 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by dalava (Post 14242502)
You know this, how?

20+ years of daily riding and racing. But you do it Solo's way and obsess over whether your bicycle weighs 14 lbs or 16 lbs if that's what floats your fredly boat.

patentcad 05-18-12 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 14242504)
This whole thread rarely has anything to do with cycling.

Thank God.

patentcad 05-18-12 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 14242437)
Changing gears on a bike is not splitting the atom. Anyone who doesn't make their living racing bicycles is fooling themselves with Di2. It's like driving James Bond's Aston Martin to work. It's not practical.

If you don't ride Di2, you don't know what you are talking about, but that's about the right speed for this idiot convention.

Forget the price. If it's too pricey for you, don't buy it.

patentcad 05-18-12 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by dalava (Post 14242497)
^ practicality has nothing to do with di2

Incorrect. Once you get past the price it's actually very practical, which is why it does seem to be the preferred group for many pro teams who could choose mechanical groups instead. It's easier, shifts better, and in some respects requires less maintenance than cable actuated mechanical drivetrains. It makes shifting much easier, particularly on TT bikes, to the point where you actually shift more because it's more effortless; being in the right gear more often is a very good thing when you're cycling hard.

patentcad 05-18-12 04:54 PM

Good grief what a waste of valuable Kj's.

Hey, gets the post count closer to 50k. Time to have a front porch meeting with Sam and tell him how much I love him.

Back to your fredly hand-wringing.

DropDeadFred 05-18-12 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by v70cat (Post 14242203)
I agree a heavier bike is always going to result in more work period. The question is whether the additional weight associated Di2 is worth the improved performance.

PS I am faster than none of you, shall we now move on to who is the biggest dick?

fify

Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 14242437)
Changing gears on a bike is not splitting the atom. Anyone who doesn't make their living racing bicycles is fooling themselves with Di2. It's like driving James Bond's Aston Martin to work. It's not practical.

false

Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 14242504)
This whole thread rarely has anything to do with cycling.

correct

LowCel 05-18-12 05:52 PM

Visiting my mother in law at the nursing home. She weighs less than 85 pounds.

LesterOfPuppets 05-18-12 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 14241738)
Bicycle weight is rather irrelevant in anything outside of a very elite level of mountainous racing that amateurs don't ever approach.

The heavier the better. Got about 15 miles today on this one. I think it's ready for the big time.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7...cf8405c4_b.jpg
P5170148 by Lester Of Puppets, on Flickr

2manybikes 05-18-12 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 14242531)
Thank Dog.

Fixed.

He says you're welcome.

Soloist Assassin 05-18-12 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by LowCel (Post 14242147)
I may be a moron but at least I will never have to race with cat 4's again. Can you say the same?

Whenever you are talking to people that have already been there and done that you might not want to call them morons. I've done the light bike thing and I know for damn sure that I benefited more from a power meter than I ever benefited from losing a pound or two from my bike.

What they don't have 3/4 races in WV?

LC, you're like 30lbs overweight. If you were worrying about your bike weight right now, you should get your brain examined. That being said all things being equal if you are the strongest you've been, and you ride two bikes up a hill. One is 16lbs, and one is 13lbs, the 13lbs bike will require less work to propel up the hill. So you will either go faster with less effort, or go the same speed, and save the power for later on by riding a lighter bike. This isn't rocket science. It's like HS physics for crying out loud, yet you idiots still can't wrap your brain cells around it. Obviously the best solution is buy a power meter, and lots of PEDs. Train your life away, and race the lightest, stiffest, most aero bike made, and crush the competition. I tried really hard to score some PEDs in the hospital this weekend, and I had no luck. I guess it's time to buy a power meter.

2manybikes 05-18-12 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 14242538)
Incorrect. Once you get past the price it's actually very practical, which is why it does seem to be the preferred group for many pro teams who could choose mechanical groups instead. It's easier, shifts better, and in some respects requires less maintenance than cable actuated mechanical drivetrains. It makes shifting much easier, particularly on TT bikes, to the point where you actually shift more because it's more effortless; being in the right gear more often is a very good thing when you're cycling hard.

Is there any maintenance that you would not have on a cable system?
Any battery problems?

patentcad 05-18-12 06:38 PM

I don't race with the 4's now. I stopped in 1996 as soon as I was old enough with the 35+ boys, even though they are often faster than the 3's.

Why risk certain injury? 3/4 races are idiotfests. Forget about 5's. Although I may find myself in a few 4/5 races later this year. God help me.

patentcad 05-18-12 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by 2manybikes (Post 14242911)
Is there any maintenance that you would not have on a cable system?
Any battery problems?

No battery problems, sure you can have electronics/servo issues I suppose, but you don't have snapping/aged cables. The electronics in the Di2 seem to be amazingly bulletproof and long lasting from all reports and so far with mine. Nobody I know has problems with Di2, it just works.

LowCel 05-18-12 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 14242917)
I don't race with the 4's now. I stopped in 1996 as soon as I was old enough with the 35+ boys, even though they are often faster than the 3's.

Why risk certain injury? 3/4 races are idiotfests. Forget about 5's. Although I may find myself in a few 4/5 races later this year. God help me.

In a ways I think the 4's are actually worse than the 5's. The 4's "think" they know what they are doing.

BillyD 05-18-12 07:30 PM

PC is correct. That 3 or 4 lbs in bike weight is not going to make a bit of difference unless you're in absolutely professional caliber condition and getting the absolute maximum efficiency out of your engine. That includes getting your own weight down as far as you can go and still perform efficiently. How many people can do that?

Until then it's just an exercise in delusion.

BillyD 05-18-12 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 14243107)
Until then it's just an exercise in delusion . . . . with a capital D.

fixed.

Velo Vol 05-18-12 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 14241752)
Oh, is that too complicated for you?

I'll tell you what is nonsensical, even for the 41. It's statements like this:


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 14240481)
I like this thread because I could hock all of you like loogies

At best it's highly speculative--more likely wishful or even delusional.

In a rare moment of candor you confess:


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 14241752)
I'm not a big climber.

And, by your own admission, you're like 30 pounds overweight (i.e., FAT).

So try to return to your senses here, and keep it real.

rjones28 05-18-12 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 14242437)
Changing gears on a bike is not splitting the atom. Anyone who doesn't make their living racing bicycles is fooling themselves with Di2. It's like driving James Bond's Aston Martin to work. It's not practical.

So, I should stop doing that then?

rjones28 05-18-12 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 14242504)
This whole thread rarely has anything to do with cycling.

What's your point?

rjones28 05-18-12 09:26 PM

Narcoleptic?


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 14242810)
The heavier the better. Got about 15 miles today on this one. I think it's ready for the big time.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7...cf8405c4_b.jpg
P5170148 by Lester Of Puppets, on Flickr


DropDeadFred 05-18-12 09:28 PM

i have to admit...I really love this thread and the back and forth banter that goes on here...

rjones28 05-18-12 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 14243278)
fixed.

Can you do that?

Velo Vol 05-18-12 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 14242504)
This whole thread rarely has anything to do with cycling.

It's an artfully interwoven narrative featuring road cycling tales and gems like this.

rjones28 05-18-12 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 14243486)
It's an artfully interwoven narrative featuring road cycling tales and gems like this.

What a Hatchett job.


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