gsteinb

Right Said Fred

Since when are black football players cheating in an amateur bicycle race? People cheat in all sorts of endeavors for all sorts of reasons, but it takes a special type of ego to cheat to win a T-shirt or a $3 trophy.

I have a high level of confidence that my description fits the profile of the guy in question in this thread.

qcpmsame 

BikeRadar said in an article that the GFNY promoters decided that with $100,000 in prizes they would foot the bill to have USADA test for PED's (approx. $17,000). Their entry form had a notice on it and they had to sign that they would accept the tests both after the race and a random group selected at their home without notice as the USA Cycling calls for.

BikeRadar article:https://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...ew-york-34711/

Pretty sad that this guy and the other person caught had to stoop to doping, Amateur races are not worth this crap.

gsteinb

Amateur cyclists aren't cheating to win a $3 trophy. They're cheating for the same reason football players cheat. Or baseball players. Or anyone else is most contexts, but particularly an athletic context. Your post pinned this on upper middle class white type A. There is doping around the world at all levels of sports and in all sports.

Right Said Fred

The motivation to cheat in an amateur contest with little at stake beyond personal satisfaction and accomplishment is definitely related to an egotistical "win at all costs" mentality. Guys like that usually display that attitude in other facets of their lives, where everything is a competition they have a need to dominate. Pro athletes cheat for a lot of reasons that may or may not apply to amateurs.

MarkThailand

On a lighter note, is taking the little blue pill doping?

What if it is for a "genuine" affliction like ED?

Mark

gsteinb

Viagra is on the WADA list.

You would need to get a TUE for it, but it's probably unlikely that they'd issue one for it.

WhyFi

This is not such a "little" thing. It's the driving force for all competitors. As it concerns pros, money/fame comes WITH that accomplishment, it doesn't supplant it.

Right Said Fred

But when you cheat, there is no accomplishment.

Gorden Gekko

This may explains why I am constantly getting dropped here in NY...or maybe it's the extra 20lbs I gained over the winter

WhyFi

It's the word that you choose in describing the mentality of these competitors. You want to choose a different word, feel free. Otherwise, stop being an argumentative prat that thinks s/he knows verbal judo because you think that you can discount an entire statement by driving a wedge in to one of its words.

patentcad

But I'm the guy dropping you and I'm 15 years older and just as fat.

patentcad

For the record, the one $3 trophy I won didn't require doping, and one of the guys I beat in that race was... wait for it...........









gsteinb

Right Said Fred

You made a comment about a sense of accomplishment driving athletic ambition. OK, let's agree that is the driving force. How does cheating further that goal at either the pro or amateur level? If it is the personal satisfaction to be the best that drives the athlete to achieve, he is really only cheating himself by doping.

patentcad

In all fairness, I couldn't beat gsteinb today if he was towing a piano up a hill.

Shimagnolo

You know there *is* an off-label use for it, right?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0624120556.htm

patentcad

Considering the fact that the person who has to be satisfied is the guy who's doing the doping, I'd say your ability to judge that is zero point zero. Clearly the guys that dope often view this differently, at least at the time that they commit the doping offense.

Just because your moral compass works doesn't mean everybody's does.

Right Said Fred

Hence my original contention that only a egotistical ******bag would cheat in an amateur race.

patentcad

Yeah, but you were saying that they don't get anything out of it because it's cheating, and I don't think you understand the mentality at play here. People can rationalize anything they do, hence my own involvement in amateur music.

halfspeed

The best response to this:



You really have to laugh at these ridiculous twits who think amateur bike racing is worth doping for.

patentcad

That EPO **** can friggin KILL you. Seriously. It can and it will. You have to have a screw loose to do that crap without serious medical supervision. On the pro side they often have that, and they are doing it to keep a job that pays them serious money and to try to sustain a pro career. Hopefully that latter motivation has faded as doping is getting less tolerated in the sport. That is my general impression, at least on the UCI level, and I hope I am not proven wrong. But even with some of the doping busts in recent years there are strong indications that the UCI may be getting a handle on this at last. I really, really hope so.

Right Said Fred

I'm sure in his own demented mind he thinks he accomplished something. But unless you are somehow cheating other amateur musicians by playing really bad music, it's OK to revel in your own self-delusion.

BillyD

Some folks, amateur sports is all they got going for them.

patentcad

Yeah, good point.

patentcad

Could be worse.