Awww, a mod just deleted a thread entitled Who is this botto goon?.

I'm so sad I missed that one.

Withholding comment.

Has anyone else ever gotten into a discussion with a non-cyclist where you asserted that cycling is dumb and they disagreed? How do you respond?

Thanks. Our sidewalks were originally bike paths around our community. There are no homes/driveways - great walking/biking paths. There are two routes I take that is around the outside of a golf course. No cars/driveways, just hard of hearing folks at times. Another route is down a major street - which the sidewalk runs parallel to. There's a pretty good stretch before I get to the next traffic light to cross over.

I was still in a good mood at the time. :D

Who IS that botto goon?

Picky, picky, I appreciate RollCNY's concern even if it's not statistically correct - I got his point!!!!

Spit it out!

I appreciate him providing something to argue about.

By the way, where do you ride in South Florida? My grandmother lives there and she's hard of hearing. I apologize in advance if she runs you over.

I've gotten enough infractions for the week.

The Insurance Institute matches the fatality info you provided from Transportation Department. Nothing really identifies where the person was located, and the only "where" data concentrates o Urban vs Rural.

The first two links are different surveys from self-reported injury rates of bicyclists, one in Washington State and the other in Toronto & Ottawa. Both show the incident rate and hazard rate of sidewalk injury as significantly higher than road rates. They do not include fatalities as they are hard to self-report.

http://www.enhancements.org/download/trb/1636-011.PDF

http://www.bicyclinglife.com/Library/Moritz2.htm

This one analyzes data including direction of travel, and discusses the issue of sidewalk travel as including both with and against traffic patterns. It finds sidewalk travel 2 times more likely to cause injury.

http://www.bicyclinglife.com/Library/riskfactors.htm

The last is NYC analysis, and it does not mention sidewalks in the least, but does show that travelling in a bike lane on a roadway is overwhelmingly the safest statistical spot for lowest fatality rate.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/download...fatalities.pdf

I found other spots where people comment on the higher risks of sidewalk, but they are bicycle safety sites that do not give provenance to their data.

I do find it interesting that many sources say 24-30% (depending on source and years reviewed) of bicycle fatalities involve intoxication of the cyclist.

And this is a very good point. Arms and the right to bear them is a much different creature than the Revolutionary war soldier. A modern rifleman carrying a .223 assault rifle is now the equivalent, in fire power, of an entire WW2 platoon and a full company of Revolutionary war soldiers. I do not think the framers of the second amendment wanted each individual to have their own company of soldiers.

So ultimately, my saying 3:1 is not supported by the data, and I gave it the "if I recall correctly" caveat. I obviously didn't. I think the raw numbers get blended with bicycle safety commentary like this subject piece:

http://www.coolbiking.com/blog/cycli...ow-of-traffic/

That's considering all bike collisions (as opposed to cycling fatalities). I doubt many sidewalk cyclist/pedestrian accidents resulted in the cyclist being killed.

I read the article and got her point. I didn't feel she was too interested in drawing attention to herself. I know from what my neighbor went through with her son what a nightmare the system is. She had to Baker Act her kid before any one would help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Mental_Health_Act

Then they can check themselves out and back on the street. Sometimes the kid was picked up by the police because of his erratic behavior. I don't remember which show, maybe 60 minutes, where the parents live in fear of their kids - which this woman does. Adams problem doesn't fall into her situation. Overall, there needs to be a better care system for mental health in addition to gun control to protect innocent folks from getting shot.

It's all anecdotal, but several of research pieces I saw commented on a sidewalk accident of a bicyclist being hit by someone pulling into or out of a driveway may end up being classified as a pedestrian fatality. It is all how the police report it and the different statistics sites catalog it. All of the reports that have been linked discuss cyclists in the roadway.

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I don't think RollCNY was looking for an argument. I certainly didn't take it that way. Some older folks shouldn't be driving. I was coming out of Target and just stepped off the sidewalk into the street when a car comes around the corner and 1/2 the car is on the sidewalk, the other 1/2 is in the street. The old man kept driving not realizing he's on the sidewalk. Luckily my timing was good and I wasn't within reach otherwise I could have been run over.

Why not?

Could be worse - they could follow the tweets of those delusional NRA folks. The NRA has remained conspicuously silent, cancelling their "10 days..." giveaway and even got rid of their facebook page. Strange, almost like they're hiding.

I win. Volleyball time.

You wanna dance, Tubby?

Put down the percoset. Druggie

What was the question?

I'm going to see The Hobbit.

brb