lets clear that up. The only thing that i asked opinions on were the color choice of hubs. Everything else has been feedback from my experience with wheels I have tested or answered questions. The information that I get from jude has kept me within range of land and not floating out to anywhere. The majority of the participation in this thread has been derailing and non related. i have made my choices based off of what jude has recommended me. some of the comments have validated my choices and I certainly appreciate that feedback, but none of the commentary here was a deciding factor for me.

How is this new set going to be different than the Boyds you have now? I don't see how much different they will be vs the Boyds...or am I missing something.

And that's why your feedback is untrustworthy. But, your entertainment value isn't too ****ty.

Wider rim, stiffer rim, different spoke count, different spoke, different hub.

Different in every way actually

Wait - what? You expect him to give more weight to the anonymous online opinions of Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber, rather than that of a well-respected local wheel builder?

I am assuming that isnt meant to be a compliment.

How the hell did this thread turn into this?

A startling revelation. Thanks for sharing.
In that case...I vote pink for your hub color. :)

Quick...somebody hand Nick a mirror.

I see that its physically different...but the ride? Are you flexing the Boyd enough to tell the difference?

Don't mean to question your decision...just want to see why. Seems you're making sort of a sideways move.

Good point. But you shouldn't be so hard on yourself. :)

What a touch stiffer wouldn't be worth the roughly $700 difference to you? ;)

It's the 41. Every thread turns into this. IMO, it's rather unfortunate as there are a lot of folks happy to share knowledge they've gleaned. But it gets difficult to find the signal when you have to sort through all the noise.

For some, not for others. YMMV

For fun I put my C2/CK wheels on my caad today. They have blue hubs to go with bike they were intended for but I wanted to see what colored hubs would look like. Alos was curious if they felt different on caad - they didn't really. Maybe one ride is hard to tell but also possible that two sets of well built alloy wheels aren't going to be much different.

Anyway, here's a pic. Maybe not the best color for that bike but at least not black. Maybe some cages with blue or something else with blue would help. Curious to see what Bianchi goes with.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q...9/caadc2ck.jpg

Thats like me getting rid of my 404's for a pair of Enves and saying that the Enves are more aero. :P

There was nothing "wrong" with the boyds. After riding on other wheels I realized that a 20/24 spoke is flexy for my weight. It wasn't necessary to get new wheels, but i wanted to. I was able to feel a worthwhile difference between the boyds I had and the newer wheels that had a higher spoke count which felt stiffer. Also preferred the feel of the 23mm wide rim.

Blue hubs look good with your all black rig. Blue seat post collar, CK blue headset and blue bar tape to finish it off. just my 2 cents.



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[QUOTE=Grambo;15412185]Blue hubs look good with your all black rig. Blue seat post collar, CK blue headset and blue bar tape to finish it off. just my 2 cents./QUOTE]

Too matcha, matchy. That's why I suggested the blue bar tape as a complimentary colour to the MANGO hubs.

OP the offer still stands on the free blue tape if you go MANGO and want to check it out.

Don't get caught up in justifying your reasons for wanting new gear. Your input to this thread is the reason most tuned in. If nothing else, the diversion into the details of wheelbuilding in the last few pages shows why you're not buying tools and building the wheels yourself. You won't please everyone on these threads, so please yourself.

Ohhhh - the burn of the "I know you are, but what am I?" comeback.

thanks Dave. i appreciate it.

So with blue hubs should I get mango bar tape?

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OP, you should have just let it lie. This is just going to start the whole thing all over again.

The aero spokes are made by rolling out the round ones. So Lasers become C X-Rays and regular Supers become aero Supers. And as we said earlier, stronger (which I don't think changes) doesn't affect stiffness anyway. Finally, how tight you can make a spoke doesn't affect stiffness, but even if it did, spoke tension is usually limited by rim strength, not spoke strength. Really, it is just like in that recent movie, Best Exotic Marigold Hotel: "Everything will be alright in the end. If it is not alright, it is because this isn't the end." Jude has a good reputation as a wheel builder, not a civil engineer. Those two thing are not mutually exclusive, but the former doesn't require the latter either. She doesn't have to get this stuff right. We only fixate on it because we are nerds.

Like I said: Give it a rest. Everything will be fine.

Note: It takes more than 1 to give it a rest.