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That article is a good read, so I started a new thread referencing it: LINK
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The math on vertical deflection of a properly built wheel has been done. Thickness of a sheet of paper difference when varying spoke patterns, rims, etc. There are differences, but below the threshold of perception.
Lateral deflection of a wheel is a function of appropriate build for weight/power. If you flex your wheel around, you have the wrong wheel. Or it simply wasn't built right. Ride "quality" being largely a function of acoustic feedback mostly applies to frames. Normalizing for tires, the differences between most frames in terms of "quality" (harsh/smooth/etc) is largely below a real tactile perception threshold. Most humans are, however, profoundly synesthetic beings. Hit the same rough patch of road with two different bikes, and most of your idea of the perception of the ride "quality" will be a function of the acoustic feedback paired with the physical perception. Not to mention whatever cognitive preconceptions have been "pre-loaded" from the marketing literature and the optical qualities of the bike. Lateral flex under power, or torsion about the bottom bracket, is quite real. What is disputed is if it makes any real difference in terms of "power to the pavement" provided that the lateral flex isn't so severe that friction (brake rub, etc) is being introduced to the system. People get really angry about these notions too, and I don't understand why. |
Originally Posted by Banzai
(Post 15383314)
The math on vertical deflection of a properly built wheel has been done. Thickness of a sheet of paper difference when varying spoke patterns, rims, etc. There are differences, but below the threshold of perception.
Lateral deflection of a wheel is a function of appropriate build for weight/power. If you flex your wheel around, you have the wrong wheel. Or it simply wasn't built right. Ride "quality" being largely a function of acoustic feedback mostly applies to frames. Normalizing for tires, the differences between most frames in terms of "quality" (harsh/smooth/etc) is largely below a real tactile perception threshold. Most humans are, however, profoundly synesthetic beings. Hit the same rough patch of road with two different bikes, and most of your idea of the perception of the ride "quality" will be a function of the acoustic feedback paired with the physical perception. Not to mention whatever cognitive preconceptions have been "pre-loaded" from the marketing literature and the optical qualities of the bike. Lateral flex under power, or torsion about the bottom bracket, is quite real. What is disputed is if it makes any real difference in terms of "power to the pavement" provided that the lateral flex isn't so severe that friction (brake rub, etc) is being introduced to the system. People get really angry about these notions too, and I don't understand why. I will be the first to say that my comprehension level isn't the highest, but seriously when I try to read your comments, my brain goes numb before I can finish. Once finished, I have no idea what I just read. Feel free to dummy it up a bit every now and then. |
Originally Posted by vesteroid
(Post 15329698)
Jude is awesome. I can say I am pretty much convinced to sell my powertap enve 45 with g3 hubs in favor of another set of her hedc2 with the same hubs.
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Originally Posted by bianchi10
(Post 15329757)
I say all of the above. The engagement of the hub seemed more responsive. It engaged instantly and I felt that the hub felt more "solid". I would also say it felt smoother while pedaling on flats. With the short ride that I did, though I may be confusing the smoothness with the combination of the 23 wide rim and low psi 23mm tire. The differences were very subtle, but I was able to notice it. This is not to say that my Boyds feel bad compared to the Chris king hub either.
One thing that drove me absolutely BANANA SANDWHICH was the sound of the CK hub!!! I'm sure I would get used to it, but as of now, I am not. I ride with an earphone in right ear and when I was at a steady pace or pedaling I could not hear the free hub at all. BUT instances where I was climbing and then got to the top I would sometimes find myself pausing my cadence as I recovered. In that slight moment where I paused, I could hear the free hub out of my left ear. It wasn't SUPER loud, but it was a sound that my ear has not been accustomed to yet. Since it was an unfamiliar sound, I found myself looking over my shoulder a lot more because it sounded like a car was approaching. Again, I'm sure I would get used to the sound over time. |
Demo set #3
I CANT WAIT TO GET OUT AND RIDE THESE. I'm almost as excited to just sit in my garage and look at them!!!
Edge Enve 45 carbon clinchers 21mm wide Chris king R45 hubs CX Ray Sapim spokes same tubes, same tape, same tires http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...314_154713.jpg http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...314_154617.jpg http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...314_154554.jpg |
Shiz.... enve's with C.K. hubs. Cant wait for the evaluation on these.
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Well there goes your budget criteria :)
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Did she give you carbon specific pads?
Great looking wheelset. |
2x?
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Originally Posted by NWS Alpine
(Post 15387595)
Well there goes your budget criteria :)
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I'd be curious to see how the big dollar hubs compare to the value hubs like ck vs bhs.
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It's either "end of the competition" or "can't buy love"....
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Originally Posted by Nagrom_
(Post 15387598)
Did she give you carbon specific pads?
Great looking wheelset. Well there goes your budget criteria :) |
those are just
SWEET!! I know which are my favorite already. |
Originally Posted by rangerdavid
(Post 15387867)
those are just
SWEET!! I know which are my favorite already. |
Originally Posted by bianchi10
(Post 15387877)
MINE TOO!!!! I guess this is the power of aesthetics!!!! I haven't even ridden them yet and I'm trying to figure out which one of my two kids I can sell and get the most return on!!!
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I dont know. my 5 year old daughter(first born) seems to be getting her period or something! She has had some nasty attitude lately and I'm about to lose it. I'm sure after she turns 8 it will just gets easier though....right???? lol!
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Welp, the ENVE wheels *do* make your bike look like pure sex, but I think we all know that something's missing....
Ah, I know. http://www.enve.com/cache/ProductTyp...700h500MAR.jpg |
Originally Posted by Saoi
(Post 15388029)
Welp, the ENVE wheels *do* make your bike look like pure sex, but I think we all know that something's missing....
Ah, I know. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=304526 |
ah yes...thats it!!!
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Originally Posted by bianchi10
(Post 15387924)
I dont know. my 5 year old daughter(first born) seems to be getting her period or something! She has had some nasty attitude lately and I'm about to lose it. I'm sure after she turns 8 it will just gets easier though....right???? lol!
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sexy looking wheels! I just saw how much those rims cost and whoa!
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Yeah, the Enve's ain't cheap. But oh so worth it!
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Damn... those Enve's are sweet. CK R45's with a good road tubeless compatible rim are on my wish list. Too bad Fulcrums 3 2-ways do such a darn good job and never die...
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