Will 10 Speed become obsolete? How soon?
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Concentrate on things that make a real difference on the road. The rider being the first, and main, area of concern.
If a rider beats you on an 11 speed bike, he could probably just as well beat you on a 10 speed----a 2X5 at that.
If a rider beats you on an 11 speed bike, he could probably just as well beat you on a 10 speed----a 2X5 at that.
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I enjoy riding my old 2x5 Colnago, and it never holds me back on flat solo rides, but I think it would be tough to be competitive in a criterium race against riders on bikes with "brifters".
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Thank you guys for all of the good info! I feel better now, I guess the cassette and the chain will be the first thing I would have to replace, and according to you guys it should not be a problem to find them. Also, I can get a 11 speed wheel with a spacer, to be future proof, that's good, I did not know that either.
But like Brian mentioned, crashing in a race is not unusual, specially in triathlons. So, worst case scenario, if I crash and I need new shiftters and one of the derailleurs, would it be that expensive to switch the components to 11 speed? I am just wondering because I have no idea. Including labor, how much would it cost to "upgrade" to a 11 speed system (105 or Ultegra) within the next two years? (or once this 10 speed parts become harder to find at a reasonable price)
But like Brian mentioned, crashing in a race is not unusual, specially in triathlons. So, worst case scenario, if I crash and I need new shiftters and one of the derailleurs, would it be that expensive to switch the components to 11 speed? I am just wondering because I have no idea. Including labor, how much would it cost to "upgrade" to a 11 speed system (105 or Ultegra) within the next two years? (or once this 10 speed parts become harder to find at a reasonable price)
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So how much longer until 12 speed is available?
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this isn't collapsed to you? The entire bike parts market is collapsed. Those prices are just a few (like literally maybe $5) dollars above what a LBS in the US pays for the part.
this isn't collapsed to you? The entire bike parts market is collapsed. Those prices are just a few (like literally maybe $5) dollars above what a LBS in the US pays for the part.
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The extra gears are providing a wider range, making cycling more accessible. That's a good thing. You can buy compact doubles with wider ranges than the old 9-speed triples. And the low end gearing, compared to an old 7-speed bike is laughably better. True, 11-speed doesn't add range, but it fills in the gaps when 10-speed went to 11-28 cassettes.
All the retro-grouchs complaining about "too many cogs" should be forced to do extended 6% climbs on 52/39 with a 13-23 cassettes because that's how it was done "back in the day".
All the retro-grouchs complaining about "too many cogs" should be forced to do extended 6% climbs on 52/39 with a 13-23 cassettes because that's how it was done "back in the day".
I have run this system with a 34 tooth 'bail-out' cog during an ugly hill climbing day.
So with 7-speed, I have both the gear range that I need, plus the convenience of integrated brake/shift levers. The shifting works just as well as on my 10-speed bikes, thank you very much.
While riding, I don't have to waste time with double gear changes as with 10 or 11 speed cogsets. The gear increments on these are too close.
Finally, since I'm running 7-speed I don't have to spend absurd amounts on replacement chains and cassettes and rings. I have several lifetimes worth of replacement cogs which were sourced for about a dollar per pound.
So what were your arguments?
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The extra gears are providing a wider range, making cycling more accessible. That's a good thing. You can buy compact doubles with wider ranges than the old 9-speed triples. And the low end gearing, compared to an old 7-speed bike is laughably better. True, 11-speed doesn't add range, but it fills in the gaps when 10-speed went to 11-28 cassettes.
All the retro-grouchs complaining about "too many cogs" should be forced to do extended 6% climbs on 52/39 with a 13-23 cassettes because that's how it was done "back in the day".
All the retro-grouchs complaining about "too many cogs" should be forced to do extended 6% climbs on 52/39 with a 13-23 cassettes because that's how it was done "back in the day".
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I ride mostly 7-speed systems. With brifters (Campagnolo Ergopower). Most of my cogsets go from 13-28, a adequately wide range that dispenses of the useless 11 and 12 tooth cogs found in current cassettes.
I have run this system with a 34 tooth 'bail-out' cog during an ugly hill climbing day.
So with 7-speed, I have both the gear range that I need, plus the convenience of integrated brake/shift levers. The shifting works just as well as on my 10-speed bikes, thank you very much.
While riding, I don't have to waste time with double gear changes as with 10 or 11 speed cogsets. The gear increments on these are too close.
Finally, since I'm running 7-speed I don't have to spend absurd amounts on replacement chains and cassettes and rings. I have several lifetimes worth of replacement cogs which were sourced for about a dollar per pound.
So what were your arguments?
I have run this system with a 34 tooth 'bail-out' cog during an ugly hill climbing day.
So with 7-speed, I have both the gear range that I need, plus the convenience of integrated brake/shift levers. The shifting works just as well as on my 10-speed bikes, thank you very much.
While riding, I don't have to waste time with double gear changes as with 10 or 11 speed cogsets. The gear increments on these are too close.
Finally, since I'm running 7-speed I don't have to spend absurd amounts on replacement chains and cassettes and rings. I have several lifetimes worth of replacement cogs which were sourced for about a dollar per pound.
So what were your arguments?
Do you still use a 15 year old computer?
In an earlier post you said it was $180 for the chainrings, but I've found the full crankset for $172.
You really aren't a very smart shopper.
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Not 105, more like Sora or non-series level. For whatever that's worth.
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Were you sitting and spinning 42x23 on climbs? There's climbs around here I can't clear on 34x28 if I sit and spin (and mountain bike climbs I can't clear on 30x36). I'm 6'6" 240lbs so I'll never be a strong climber but still.
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Oh hell, no. I was stomping on the pedals and cursing profusely! Good training for youngsters! They gotta learn that life isn't fair.
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This bike was built 53/42 w/ the lowest gearing 13-23. 20 years on converted to 10 cog 53/39 13-25 for the same terrain in the Hill Country.
Works fine for me, it's got the low I need for the routes it's ridden on and biggest gear I'm willing to push with tight steps in between for efficiency.
The "Junior" 13-25 10 cog cassettes are going to get hard to find and expensive, I stashed one away.
Has "Junior" gearing appeared in 11 cog? A 13-28 would go well on some really steep stuff locally.
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Shimano 105 5700 10 Speed Road Cassette | Chain Reaction Cycles Shimano 105 5800 11 Speed Road Cassette | Chain Reaction Cycles
this isn't collapsed to you? The entire bike parts market is collapsed. Those prices are just a few (like literally maybe $5) dollars above what a LBS in the US pays for the part.
this isn't collapsed to you? The entire bike parts market is collapsed. Those prices are just a few (like literally maybe $5) dollars above what a LBS in the US pays for the part.
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I ride mostly 7-speed systems. With brifters (Campagnolo Ergopower). Most of my cogsets go from 13-28, a adequately wide range that dispenses of the useless 11 and 12 tooth cogs found in current cassettes.
I have run this system with a 34 tooth 'bail-out' cog during an ugly hill climbing day.
So with 7-speed, I have both the gear range that I need, plus the convenience of integrated brake/shift levers. The shifting works just as well as on my 10-speed bikes, thank you very much.
While riding, I don't have to waste time with double gear changes as with 10 or 11 speed cogsets. The gear increments on these are too close.
Finally, since I'm running 7-speed I don't have to spend absurd amounts on replacement chains and cassettes and rings. I have several lifetimes worth of replacement cogs which were sourced for about a dollar per pound.
So what were your arguments?
I have run this system with a 34 tooth 'bail-out' cog during an ugly hill climbing day.
So with 7-speed, I have both the gear range that I need, plus the convenience of integrated brake/shift levers. The shifting works just as well as on my 10-speed bikes, thank you very much.
While riding, I don't have to waste time with double gear changes as with 10 or 11 speed cogsets. The gear increments on these are too close.
Finally, since I'm running 7-speed I don't have to spend absurd amounts on replacement chains and cassettes and rings. I have several lifetimes worth of replacement cogs which were sourced for about a dollar per pound.
So what were your arguments?
20 years ago, 7 speed was the sh|t and the latest and greatest and the "improvement" over 6 speed. Why aren't you on 6 speed freewheels still? Or 5 speed? Or hell, just go with fixed? Dare I suggest a penny farthing? Back before the turn of the century, there was some guy, another Dave Mayer, who sat in a coffee shop or bar railing about the dangers of chains on the new fangled safety bikes. Retrogrouch-ism is just not a rational life perspective because its perspective is totally dependent on the age of the person grouching. Today's retrogrouches were yesterday's visionaries being retrogrouched at by yesterday's retrogrouches. Someone in the early 90s was grouching about the introduction of 7 speed. Mark my words. Meanwhile, Shimano keeps making cool stuff and people keep being happy riding progressively "better" bicycles.
Everyone thinks the things that were cool when they were in their prime are the greatest ever things and every "improvement" deserves to be in quotations. It's a moving target. Most outgrow it after a little introspection. Some don't and we call these people retrogrouches.
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And doing the same cursing with toe clips, but with double straps (Alfredo Binda Extra straps!). Of course on a lightweight (21 lb) steel Paramount
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I've owned RSX shifters but trust me, perforfmance has improved.
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Hmmm. I have 9-speed Ultegra and 105, and don't feel any better than ye olde 7sp RSX. Maybe I need to turn it up to 11.
And the plastic Madonna bra dealies are kinda lame compared to the cyclops look of the RSX, IMO. I have a cyclops style 105 set somewhere, I think they're 8-sp, tho.
And the plastic Madonna bra dealies are kinda lame compared to the cyclops look of the RSX, IMO. I have a cyclops style 105 set somewhere, I think they're 8-sp, tho.
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Hmmm. I have 9-speed Ultegra and 105, and don't feel any better than ye olde 7sp RSX. Maybe I need to turn it up to 11.
And the plastic Madonna bra dealies are kinda lame compared to the cyclops look of the RSX, IMO. I have a cyclops style 105 set somewhere, I think they're 8-sp, tho.
And the plastic Madonna bra dealies are kinda lame compared to the cyclops look of the RSX, IMO. I have a cyclops style 105 set somewhere, I think they're 8-sp, tho.
6800 brakes are fantastic. I had 7800 brakes on my previous road bike, and liked them very much, but these feel even better.
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To summarize, you've indicated that old things automatically are less functional or than new. What does this say about the diamond shape bicycle frame that has dominated for the last 150 years? Out with the old, I guess.
You've also confused the various elements of functionality. Some new things are useful, others are pure marketing. So for your future reference, here are the developments in the bicycle world that are real progress, and also what is marketing crap:
Real progress:
- Brifters (integrated brake/shift levers)
- Dual pivot rim brakes
- Carbon
- Cassette hubs
- 8+ speed internal gear hub systems
- Compact road drivetrains
- Compact (sloping top tube) road framesets
- Disc brakes for the road
- Adding another cog to the cassette every few years so we can charge hideous prices to early adopters for new stuff and so that naive fools are convinced to 'upgrade' when their current equipment is perfectly good.