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09-22-18, 11:22 AM
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I adore that frame, and admire the set up. I agree with a previous poster that the wheels don't do it any justice appearance wise. I love tall people, I envy them, and I wish I was one... but sadly tall bikes for tall people just look plain out of proportion and that has a negative effect on "hot factor" (I think I just coined that term). You hit all the right marks though, you just need something like 32 inch wheels!
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I think 60cm is about the limit for proportion.
09-22-18, 12:55 PM
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Poor stagin aside, I love the moots, is the handlebar tape something cool and funky or is it just the lighting that seems to have it match the Moots logo? Are you running those wheels tubeless and if so how are those Specialized Turbo's? I ask because that's my next set to try, I really liked the tubed variation.
The bar tape is new stuff from Specialized that changes color some depending on the light. One side looks more blue and the other gray. Matches the logo pretty good which I why I got it. I don't have those wheels setup tubeless, but really like the Turbos - I have them in 26c. I was all about the GT 4000s ii until I tried the Turbos and have switched. To be honest though if you swapped my tires back to the Conti's I'm not sure I'd notice. I do have a set of Stan's Grail rims that I have tubeless that I have a set of 37c WTB Riddler on. Those are pretty nice riding tires and are quite on the road. Haven't had a chance to put them through their paces off-road yet though.
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09-22-18, 05:49 PM
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I agree, anything smaller than 55-56 hits similar proportional challenges. I think 56-60 cm is the sweet spot.
Throwing an outdoor shot from a different angle into the mix.
I personally like the Archetypes on the bike, but agree a sexy set of carbon tubulars would up the game significantly, though (to me) there is something about the 32 sparkly spokes in each wheel that echoes the bike's classic roots.
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My 60cm Guerciotti looks pretty nice, but my 60cm Trek Domane looks odd, and the disc brakes don't help it's appearance either.
09-22-18, 08:10 PM
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On "old school" level TT bikes, 58-60 seems to work very well.
Modern carbon frames offer up a variety - some look amazing in the smaller sizes, but not many look great in the larger sizes. This is where I think a horizontal TT can allow slightly larger frames to look aesthetically good.
OK, last shot....... promise..... well, maybe not, but outdoor shot from the side, again, for scrutiny
09-22-18, 08:26 PM
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I tend to agree.
On "old school" level TT bikes, 58-60 seems to work very well.
Modern carbon frames offer up a variety - some look amazing in the smaller sizes, but not many look great in the larger sizes. This is where I think a horizontal TT can allow slightly larger frames to look aesthetically good.
OK, last shot....... promise..... well, maybe not, but outdoor shot from the side, again, for scrutiny
On "old school" level TT bikes, 58-60 seems to work very well.
Modern carbon frames offer up a variety - some look amazing in the smaller sizes, but not many look great in the larger sizes. This is where I think a horizontal TT can allow slightly larger frames to look aesthetically good.
OK, last shot....... promise..... well, maybe not, but outdoor shot from the side, again, for scrutiny
significantly better than the murdered out matte black on matte black on matte black with comically slammed stem look.
09-22-18, 09:52 PM
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I disagree. Anything less than a 56cm frame looks pathetic. Like they are made for members of the lollipop guild.
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09-22-18, 10:14 PM
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I tend to agree.
On "old school" level TT bikes, 58-60 seems to work very well.
Modern carbon frames offer up a variety - some look amazing in the smaller sizes, but not many look great in the larger sizes. This is where I think a horizontal TT can allow slightly larger frames to look aesthetically good.
OK, last shot....... promise..... well, maybe not, but outdoor shot from the side, again, for scrutiny
On "old school" level TT bikes, 58-60 seems to work very well.
Modern carbon frames offer up a variety - some look amazing in the smaller sizes, but not many look great in the larger sizes. This is where I think a horizontal TT can allow slightly larger frames to look aesthetically good.
OK, last shot....... promise..... well, maybe not, but outdoor shot from the side, again, for scrutiny
09-24-18, 07:02 AM
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I think we all think our own sized bike looks best or "right".
That said, this bike looks like it is almost perfectly set up for me. Longer stem, black tape & bars and it would be perfect.
Record hubs laced to Archetypes are VERY nice wheels. And they look right on a classic steel frame.
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I agree, anything smaller than 55-56 hits similar proportional challenges. I think 56-60 cm is the sweet spot.
Throwing an outdoor shot from a different angle into the mix.
I personally like the Archetypes on the bike, but agree a sexy set of carbon tubulars would up the game significantly, though (to me) there is something about the 32 sparkly spokes in each wheel that echoes the bike's classic roots.
I agree, anything smaller than 55-56 hits similar proportional challenges. I think 56-60 cm is the sweet spot.
Throwing an outdoor shot from a different angle into the mix.
I personally like the Archetypes on the bike, but agree a sexy set of carbon tubulars would up the game significantly, though (to me) there is something about the 32 sparkly spokes in each wheel that echoes the bike's classic roots.
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09-24-18, 09:45 AM
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The lack of taste in this thread is concerning
how is this two/three tone mess of a bike even warm. it can’t be helped due to the paint job. I’m finding that people here simply lack good taste. my goodness may the lord have mercy on my eyes. growlerdinky must of had his acid reflux cured after seeing this thing. Ok the blue is nice but blue and neon green? No.
as for canyon eagle there isn’t a slight weight penalty. your probably looking at a 6lb penalty in comparison to my vortex. your lying to yourself! I’d prefer the light carbon rides in here to heavy steel unless I’m bicycle touring or commuting and you know how I feel about carbon in general. But I like the yellow and look of the bike overall. at least it’s not pink.
as for canyon eagle there isn’t a slight weight penalty. your probably looking at a 6lb penalty in comparison to my vortex. your lying to yourself! I’d prefer the light carbon rides in here to heavy steel unless I’m bicycle touring or commuting and you know how I feel about carbon in general. But I like the yellow and look of the bike overall. at least it’s not pink.
09-24-18, 10:17 AM
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as for canyon eagle there isn’t a slight weight penalty. your probably looking at a 6lb penalty in comparison to my vortex. your lying to yourself! I’d prefer the light carbon rides in here to heavy steel unless I’m bicycle touring or commuting and you know how I feel about carbon in general. But I like the yellow and look of the bike overall. at least it’s not pink.
09-24-18, 10:21 AM
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how is this two/three tone mess of a bike even warm. it can’t be helped due to the paint job. I’m finding that people here simply lack good taste. my goodness may the lord have mercy on my eyes. growlerdinky must of had his acid reflux cured after seeing this thing. Ok the blue is nice but blue and neon green? No.
as for canyon eagle there isn’t a slight weight penalty. your probably looking at a 6lb penalty in comparison to my vortex. your lying to yourself! I’d prefer the light carbon rides in here to heavy steel unless I’m bicycle touring or commuting and you know how I feel about carbon in general. But I like the yellow and look of the bike overall. at least it’s not pink.
09-24-18, 10:29 AM
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as for canyon eagle there isn’t a slight weight penalty. your probably looking at a 6lb penalty in comparison to my vortex. your lying to yourself! I’d prefer the light carbon rides in here to heavy steel unless I’m bicycle touring or commuting and you know how I feel about carbon in general. But I like the yellow and look of the bike overall. at least it’s not pink.
good dig. 
Weight penalty is not 6 lbs, as this frame/fork is almost exactly 6 lbs (6.2). Unless your frame is is 0 lbs, the difference is (at most) a few pounds given similar build. Most carbon frame/fork combos are 1-1.5 kilos (2.2 - 3.3 lbs).
This bike came in at 20 lbs as equipped, and I didn't go with weight weenie components for the most part. I could easily get that to 19 or less with lightweight wheels, and edging towards 18 with other component choices. Not my bag.
As a point of comparison, my previous Fuji GranFondo with Ultegra and a 1600g wheelset weighed in at 18.2 pounds for the 60cm bike. So, I've given up 1.8 pounds to a nice (not not top end) carbon bike.
I doubt your bike is 14 pounds.
I weigh 195 lbs, so the difference is inconsequential. I don't feel the weight at all - in fact, the bike feels incredible. Lively.
Again, I think weight for weight's sake is folly - many resources online that address the relatively insignificant impact of weight - the only place it even begins to matter is on very long climbs, and I really don't care about a few seconds (or even a minute). If I were still racing, I'd probably have a climbing-only bike for mountainous events. Actually, probably not. Just wheels. In the flats, it makes essentially no difference. Rider aerodynamics are the biggest factor there. Especially for a tall guy like me.
Anyway, glad you love your bike. Nothing wrong with Ti.
Ride on!
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09-24-18, 11:11 AM
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H+Son wheels, 2 cross lacing and 80 mm valve stems are not hot.
The deck needs a coat of Olympic.
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The deck needs a coat of Olympic.
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09-24-18, 11:36 AM
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2x front, 3x rear - perhaps not hot, but holds down the classic theme. Sort of like Singer's Porsches with Fuchs remakes.
The deck, however, needs a sawzall
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09-24-18, 12:30 PM
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how is this two/three tone mess of a bike even warm. it can’t be helped due to the paint job. I’m finding that people here simply lack good taste. my goodness may the lord have mercy on my eyes. growlerdinky must of had his acid reflux cured after seeing this thing. Ok the blue is nice but blue and neon green? No.
as for canyon eagle there isn’t a slight weight penalty. your probably looking at a 6lb penalty in comparison to my vortex. your lying to yourself! I’d prefer the light carbon rides in here to heavy steel unless I’m bicycle touring or commuting and you know how I feel about carbon in general. But I like the yellow and look of the bike overall. at least it’s not pink.
I know Canyon Eagle said that his was just sub 20 which for that size bike and steel is freaking awesome.
I know that you've got a nice little stick in your butt these days, that's ok it happens, sometimes I sit on something that hurts too...
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09-24-18, 06:00 PM
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how is this two/three tone mess of a bike even warm. it can’t be helped due to the paint job. I’m finding that people here simply lack good taste. my goodness may the lord have mercy on my eyes. growlerdinky must of had his acid reflux cured after seeing this thing. Ok the blue is nice but blue and neon green? No.
as for canyon eagle there isn’t a slight weight penalty. your probably looking at a 6lb penalty in comparison to my vortex. your lying to yourself! I’d prefer the light carbon rides in here to heavy steel unless I’m bicycle touring or commuting and you know how I feel about carbon in general. But I like the yellow and look of the bike overall. at least it’s not pink.
09-24-18, 06:21 PM
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My bike weighs 16 with pedals, cages.. This is thin wallled 6-4 Ti. Your bike is 22 pounds I estimate. You’ve never weighed that bike and if you did you are contradicting your own belief system!!!! You are a lightweight at 195lbs. I’m 292 pounds and I feel the difference on a lightweight bike.
that Speedvagen is under 17 pounds, A guy I ride with has a very similar Speedvagen, and it’s 16.8 pounds.
09-24-18, 06:35 PM
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Pics or it didn’t happen. But I can say with near 100% certainty that it didn’t happen. While light for Ti, it’s still a 1300+ gram frame and you have zero weight weenie parts on it. I’m giving it 18 lbs. at best ready to ride.
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Ah yes, I can see the pounds quite clearly.
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