I thought Mr. Beanz was going for a ride to film more lame bikini videos.

Yeah, like riding aorund in a circle sucking wheel with a meter isn't!

and you guys wonder why I don't care for you Lance wannabes!

The more and more you post, the less and less credible any of your opinions become. You have a clear disdain for certain groups of people here, why?

The quoted post in your signature makes your comments a little ironic...

That's been pointed out to him on several ocassions.

So the little buddy system requirements must include ignorant. This is what I mean by the little buddy sytem. Somebody pokes his nose in with his ignorant comments while I'm giving UMD a chance to drop the subject, I reply and I'm the one making waves. Let me see, whe have I invited datajunkie into the conversation I was trying to drop?

Seems to me, that I'm not the idiot!

Were is your opinion of his assinine comment?

add one more time then...

I love when people say, ok I'm trying to drop it so everyone else has to be quiet about it now. Sorry Mr. Beanz, now everyone else is calling you out. I'll drop it, but I still want to know what I did to you that makes you hate me so much.

Okay this thread has gone waay off track and become a puffing of the chests.

Please keep on topic and do not have your personal disputes here on the open forum.

Thank you,
Siu Blue Wind
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Actually, you sit here in the forums, insult people, and play bigshot. Well I meet a ton of riders and one of the common questions is, "who the **** is this *******UMD"? Mayb eyou aren';t the god you think you are!

My signature comes more from riding and knowing people, not playing some racer pro god on the forums. Believe me, it aint just the recreational riders like me either that make comments.

It's funny I hear similar comments about you. Maybe you aren't the god you think you are.

I certainly don't think I'm a god and never claimed anything of the sort.

I'm just a guy sharing my experiences, which happen to be different than yours.

I never called you an idiot, but if we're going to result to name calling, I'll leave that to you. I was asking you a question, that you didn't answer by the way. But you keep posting and insulting people. That's fine, but it makes it hard to find you credible when you do that, especially with you touting your own values to the cycling community.

And, as umd has pointed out, if you really want to drop it, stop responding.

I think that your example is a good example of how non racers might see this. If I'm following a bigger vehicle, which is blocking my vision, down the expressway at normal speed, I have a lot better chance of avoiding an accident should that vehicle swerve around something in front of him. And, I'm much more likely to put more distance between us in anticipation of something going wrong, being blind to the road ahead.


Now, if I'm following that vehicle at 90, right up his ass, and he swerves, I'm not going to come out as well.

I think it comes down to the fact that you guys that race put yourselves into a situation that many of us find moronic, yet can't comprehend why we can see the fault in your behavior. So to me, once you chose to be in that position, you own full responsibility for running into someone.

That being said, I can see the possible advantage of wearing a base layer in case of a crash. I can also think of reasons to not wear one. To each their own.

Filming girls who don't know it to post on the internet... eww.

I clench my teeth and brace for impact hoping it won't be bad enough to hurt my wheel or send me flying. How close I stay to the wheel in front of me depends on the familiarity and confidence I have with the rider in front and the general dynamic of the group. Something similar happened on a group ride on Sunday when the rider in front signaled the pothole too late, but fortunately I was able to remain upright which was tough given the size of the gravel and angle of the hole.

But wait, you do need someone to take your picture for that other thread.

ThereasonIdon;tlike UMD is not going to postedhere,heknows why, jsut playing innocent fo rthe crowd.

NMy questio you is why do you insist it's me that's insulting people like datajunkie comes from nowhwere, makes an assinine comment, I reply and I'm bad guy?


I see things differently, dude makes an ignorant comment, I reply.

True. I might get my picture posted and not even know it.

I think most bike racers would agree that we put ourselves in moronic situations (or at least what most people would consider moronic positions. But most of us also accept that the risk is that something like this crash happens and obviously the risk/reward is worth it to us.

That's kind of the point umd is making against people laying sole blame on him. I'm very much in the sh1t happens camp.

Yes, thank you for a well-reasoned and balanced look at it. Although this was not a race, it unfolds as though it were one. We all chose to put ourselves in that situation and we all accept responsibility for it. Nobody who was there is throwing around blame, it's one of those "that's what happens when we do this kind of thing" situations. Obviously I ran into (actually brushed) him, I don't deny that.

Exactly. And like I said to Cat4Lifer, my intent for the thread is not to tell people to wear one, but just to illustrate a benefit that some people may not have been aware of.

Yeah, like you were';t flirting just the other day on the net? with guys yo don't know,double ewww!

going for rdienow, I;;l look up the threadlater if you don';t believeme!

You are not helping your cause...whatever that is.

I see it's not stopping.

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