View Poll Results: Helmet wearing habits?
I've never worn a bike helmet
178
10.66%
I used to wear a helmet, but have stopped
94
5.63%
I've always worn a helmet
648
38.80%
I didn't wear a helmet, but now do
408
24.43%
I sometimes wear a helmet depending on the conditions
342
20.48%
Voters: 1670. You may not vote on this poll
The helmet thread
05-25-13 | 12:37 PM
#5326
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Again lets forget about the safety aspect of helmets, and look at the legal area. When a driver hits a cyclist and it is the drivers fault, you will ALWAYS read that the cyclist was at least partly at fault because he was not wearing a helmet. Thats why I always wear a helmet even while riding my trike. I wear my helmet and have TWO flags on the trike. Right away that cancels out the big lie that the driver didnt see me, and since I an wearing a helmet, the facts of an accident starts nearer the truth.
05-25-13 | 01:28 PM
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Lawyers that specialize in bicycle accident litigation will tell you to wear a helmet. For a non-helmet wearer, besides the hole in your head and the concussion, or worse, you will likely get short shrift in pressing for injury compensation. You will look like you lack a certain amount of common sense. Like someone who refuses to wear a seat belt.
05-25-13 | 04:00 PM
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Lawyers that specialize in bicycle accident litigation will tell you to wear a helmet. For a non-helmet wearer, besides the hole in your head and the concussion, or worse, you will likely get short shrift in pressing for injury compensation. You will look like you lack a certain amount of common sense. Like someone who refuses to wear a seat belt.
05-25-13 | 05:24 PM
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You might want to add in all the gang and Mexican drug cartel murders to weed. As far as wearing a helmet in a car, cars have seat belts and air bags. The only protective gear on a bike is a helmet and maybe gloves. I might add that a helmet and gloves cost far less than air bags and seat belts in cars.
You might want to add in all the gang and Mexican drug cartel murders to weed. As far as wearing a helmet in a car, cars have seat belts and air bags. The only protective gear on a bike is a helmet and maybe gloves. I might add that a helmet and gloves cost far less than air bags and seat belts in cars.
05-25-13 | 06:17 PM
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Lawyers that specialize in bicycle accident litigation will tell you to wear a helmet. For a non-helmet wearer, besides the hole in your head and the concussion, or worse, you will likely get short shrift in pressing for injury compensation. You will look like you lack a certain amount of common sense. Like someone who refuses to wear a seat belt.
At any rate, you've repeated a claim that, while tossed around here repeatedly, as never been supported by any actual evidence. Maybe you'll be the first...
05-26-13 | 01:31 AM
#5331
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Lawyers that specialize in bicycle accident litigation will tell you to wear a helmet. For a non-helmet wearer, besides the hole in your head and the concussion, or worse, you will likely get short shrift in pressing for injury compensation. You will look like you lack a certain amount of common sense. Like someone who refuses to wear a seat belt.
As far as wearing a helmet in a car, cars have seat belts and air bags. The only protective gear on a bike is a helmet and maybe gloves. I might add that a helmet and gloves cost far less than air bags and seat belts in cars.
05-26-13 | 06:42 AM
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This of course is off topic, but since you challange me follow this logic. EVERYONE that use illegal drugs including weed are guilty of being an accessory to murder. All the murders to get fool illegal drug users their drugs can be laid at the doorstep of the users. Drug users will ***** a holler about this, but it is a fact, their use of durgs cause the murders!!! Simple logic no drug users, no drug pushers, no mexican drug cartel.
Btw is there a study of the use of helmets and the use of illegal drugs? Are drug users so addle brained that they cant see the value of wearing a helmet? Since you an others site "studies" why do you dismiss the study by the Consumer Protection Agency?
This of course is off topic, but since you challange me follow this logic. EVERYONE that use illegal drugs including weed are guilty of being an accessory to murder. All the murders to get fool illegal drug users their drugs can be laid at the doorstep of the users. Drug users will ***** a holler about this, but it is a fact, their use of durgs cause the murders!!! Simple logic no drug users, no drug pushers, no mexican drug cartel.
Btw is there a study of the use of helmets and the use of illegal drugs? Are drug users so addle brained that they cant see the value of wearing a helmet? Since you an others site "studies" why do you dismiss the study by the Consumer Protection Agency?
05-26-13 | 08:19 AM
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EVERYONE that use illegal drugs including weed are guilty of being an accessory to murder. All the murders to get fool illegal drug users their drugs can be laid at the doorstep of the users. Drug users will ***** a holler about this, but it is a fact, their use of durgs cause the murders!!! Simple logic no drug users, no drug pushers, no mexican drug cartel.
Also, blame for any murders involved in the illegal drug trade can be laid partly on the US government, who continues to enforce prohibition regarding some drugs -- just like during prohibition of alcohol, murders were more common than directly before or after with lots of gang activity.
End the War on Some Drug Users, replaced with sane, health-based drug policy, and problems with drug gangs dry up and go away. Just like issues with gangs and alcohol did with the repeal of alcohol prohibition.
05-26-13 | 09:51 AM
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05-26-13 | 10:56 AM
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I haven't read this entire thread, because its too long at this point. The helmet issue is, in my opinion, an important one because there are situations where head gear somewhat mitigates the risk of serious injury.
I voted in the category of wearing a helmet sometimes, depending on the riding conditions. My reasoning isn't sophisticated or supported by studies; its just an old peckerwood's logic after 60+ years of riding and one brain-shaking cycling accident. You might call me a proponent of 'informal accident probability theory' when it comes to helmet use.
In all of my years on a bike, I've had only one serious accident. My road bike front tire dropped into a narrow crack in the street and I was catapulted into the curb head first. Because I was riding on busy, unfamiliar streets that day, I was wearing my helmet; the foam liner split cleanly in the temple area where I contacted concrete. I was scraped and bloodied on my arm and one leg, but my head survived nicely. The bike shop owner who sold me the helmet was amazed I walked away without a concussion, or worse, because the helmet damage was obvious; he sent it to Giro and gave me another one.
Despite my wife's cajoling about the need to wear a helmet every time I ride, I prefer to ride without one unless I'm competing for road space with busy traffic or riding on unfamiliar roads. I'm more observant about pavement conditions, and I choose routes that offer safer riding conditions. Its just more fun to ride without a helmet; it feels freer and more natural. Its the same free feeling I enjoyed while riding my bike as a kid.
I say wear a helmet or not depending on what you want your riding experience to be and what you perceive the risks to be for a given outing. The studies are interesting, but I rely on my heart and my gut for guidance in deciding when to wear one.
I voted in the category of wearing a helmet sometimes, depending on the riding conditions. My reasoning isn't sophisticated or supported by studies; its just an old peckerwood's logic after 60+ years of riding and one brain-shaking cycling accident. You might call me a proponent of 'informal accident probability theory' when it comes to helmet use.
In all of my years on a bike, I've had only one serious accident. My road bike front tire dropped into a narrow crack in the street and I was catapulted into the curb head first. Because I was riding on busy, unfamiliar streets that day, I was wearing my helmet; the foam liner split cleanly in the temple area where I contacted concrete. I was scraped and bloodied on my arm and one leg, but my head survived nicely. The bike shop owner who sold me the helmet was amazed I walked away without a concussion, or worse, because the helmet damage was obvious; he sent it to Giro and gave me another one.
Despite my wife's cajoling about the need to wear a helmet every time I ride, I prefer to ride without one unless I'm competing for road space with busy traffic or riding on unfamiliar roads. I'm more observant about pavement conditions, and I choose routes that offer safer riding conditions. Its just more fun to ride without a helmet; it feels freer and more natural. Its the same free feeling I enjoyed while riding my bike as a kid.
I say wear a helmet or not depending on what you want your riding experience to be and what you perceive the risks to be for a given outing. The studies are interesting, but I rely on my heart and my gut for guidance in deciding when to wear one.
05-26-13 | 12:49 PM
#5336
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kidballistic
You might want to add in all the gang and Mexican drug cartel murders to weed. As far as wearing a helmet in a car, cars have seat belts and air bags. The only protective gear on a bike is a helmet and maybe gloves. I might add that a helmet and gloves cost far less than air bags and seat belts in cars.
You might want to add in all the gang and Mexican drug cartel murders to weed. As far as wearing a helmet in a car, cars have seat belts and air bags. The only protective gear on a bike is a helmet and maybe gloves. I might add that a helmet and gloves cost far less than air bags and seat belts in cars.
mconlonx, I applaud you for your consistent use of logic. Sadly, we exist in a world that is becoming more and more like the 2006 movie Idiocracy.
Last edited by Kidballistic; 05-26-13 at 12:56 PM. Reason: cause I wanted to
05-26-13 | 01:01 PM
#5337
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This of course is off topic, but since you challange me follow this logic. EVERYONE that use illegal drugs including weed are guilty of being an accessory to murder. All the murders to get fool illegal drug users their drugs can be laid at the doorstep of the users. Drug users will ***** a holler about this, but it is a fact, their use of durgs cause the murders!!! Simple logic no drug users, no drug pushers, no mexican drug cartel.
Btw is there a study of the use of helmets and the use of illegal drugs? Are drug users so addle brained that they cant see the value of wearing a helmet? Since you an others site "studies" why do you dismiss the study by the Consumer Protection Agency?
This of course is off topic, but since you challange me follow this logic. EVERYONE that use illegal drugs including weed are guilty of being an accessory to murder. All the murders to get fool illegal drug users their drugs can be laid at the doorstep of the users. Drug users will ***** a holler about this, but it is a fact, their use of durgs cause the murders!!! Simple logic no drug users, no drug pushers, no mexican drug cartel.
Btw is there a study of the use of helmets and the use of illegal drugs? Are drug users so addle brained that they cant see the value of wearing a helmet? Since you an others site "studies" why do you dismiss the study by the Consumer Protection Agency?
Will you be turning yourself in, or are you now a fugitive of the state?
Good day sir-
Last edited by Kidballistic; 05-26-13 at 01:05 PM. Reason: cause I wanted to
05-26-13 | 01:48 PM
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EVERYONE that use illegal drugs including weed are guilty of being an accessory to murder. All the murders to get fool illegal drug users their drugs can be laid at the doorstep of the users. Drug users will ***** a holler about this, but it is a fact, their use of durgs cause the murders!!! Simple logic no drug users, no drug pushers, no mexican drug cartel.
Btw is there a study of the use of helmets and the use of illegal drugs? Are drug users so addle brained that they cant see the value of wearing a helmet? Since you an others site "studies" why do you dismiss the study by the Consumer Protection Agency?
Btw is there a study of the use of helmets and the use of illegal drugs? Are drug users so addle brained that they cant see the value of wearing a helmet? Since you an others site "studies" why do you dismiss the study by the Consumer Protection Agency?
05-26-13 | 06:44 PM
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Thank you!!!!!
Thank you!!!!!
05-26-13 | 08:00 PM
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05-26-13 | 09:27 PM
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05-27-13 | 01:04 AM
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This of course is off topic, but since you challange me follow this logic. EVERYONE that use illegal drugs including weed are guilty of being an accessory to murder. All the murders to get fool illegal drug users their drugs can be laid at the doorstep of the users. Drug users will ***** a holler about this, but it is a fact, their use of durgs cause the murders!!! Simple logic no drug users, no drug pushers, no mexican drug cartel.
This of course is off topic, but since you challange me follow this logic. EVERYONE that use illegal drugs including weed are guilty of being an accessory to murder. All the murders to get fool illegal drug users their drugs can be laid at the doorstep of the users. Drug users will ***** a holler about this, but it is a fact, their use of durgs cause the murders!!! Simple logic no drug users, no drug pushers, no mexican drug cartel.
Btw is there a study of the use of helmets and the use of illegal drugs? Are drug users so addle brained that they cant see the value of wearing a helmet? Since you an others site "studies" why do you dismiss the study by the Consumer Protection Agency?
To bring this back around to the topic at hand a bit, this tangent has been very revealing. It's really no surprise there are so many pushing for MHL's. I suspect some that are claiming they are against MHL's would, in reality, support MHL's.
Last edited by sudo bike; 05-27-13 at 01:11 AM.
05-27-13 | 07:27 AM
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When the terrorist set off the bomb in Boston, we blamed the terrorist not the bomb. So when someone with a twisted mind kills someone with a gun why blame the gun and not the shooter? I have NEVER know a gun to go out and kill someone by itself.
IMHO ANYONE that uses illegal drugs has a weak mind. Why not spend their money on something of use. Just so the record is straight, I probably drink what amounts to a 6 pack of beer in a year, and have NEVER used or seen the need to use illegal drugs. Add to that my opinion that illegal drug users aid and abet drug dealer and drug cartel murders, using illegal drugs is just plain stupid!!!!
When the terrorist set off the bomb in Boston, we blamed the terrorist not the bomb. So when someone with a twisted mind kills someone with a gun why blame the gun and not the shooter? I have NEVER know a gun to go out and kill someone by itself.
IMHO ANYONE that uses illegal drugs has a weak mind. Why not spend their money on something of use. Just so the record is straight, I probably drink what amounts to a 6 pack of beer in a year, and have NEVER used or seen the need to use illegal drugs. Add to that my opinion that illegal drug users aid and abet drug dealer and drug cartel murders, using illegal drugs is just plain stupid!!!!
05-27-13 | 08:30 AM
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[QUOTE=sudo bike;15671219
Compares growing, drying, inhaling fumes from a plant to sex with children. That's some logic there, shooter. Don't worry, I have something that may help:
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Actually you're wrong because you don't understand how gang and mafia work. If you take away their cash cow, drugs in this case, they will find another cash cow, thus legalize all the drugs to starve the gangs to death and they'll turn to other stuff such as child pornography. Get a clue.
Compares growing, drying, inhaling fumes from a plant to sex with children. That's some logic there, shooter. Don't worry, I have something that may help:
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Actually you're wrong because you don't understand how gang and mafia work. If you take away their cash cow, drugs in this case, they will find another cash cow, thus legalize all the drugs to starve the gangs to death and they'll turn to other stuff such as child pornography. Get a clue.
05-27-13 | 10:08 AM
#5345
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From now on I am going to use "Page 214" as an adjective, for when I want to describe something as so unbelievably ridiculous as to defy explanation.
05-27-13 | 10:14 AM
#5346
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Oh lawd ya people crack me up. Even I know you guys are full of it and I haven't even studied my criminology and criminal law courses yet 
And umm... weak mind? What?
And umm... weak mind? What?
05-27-13 | 10:31 AM
#5347
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I thought this was about helmets?
05-27-13 | 10:40 AM
#5348
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Yes, only the weak minded wear helmets, or is it the weak minded don't wear helmets? I forget
05-27-13 | 10:57 AM
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05-27-13 | 11:29 AM
#5350
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IMHO ANYONE that uses illegal drugs has a weak mind.
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Actually you're wrong because you don't understand how gang and mafia work. If you take away their cash cow, drugs in this case, they will find another cash cow, thus legalize all the drugs to starve the gangs to death and they'll turn to other stuff such as child pornography. Get a clue.
But I'll leave it at that because this tangent has probably gone on longer than is healthy.
So how 'bout them helmets, eh?