in fairness, that’s actually pretty badass. Way cooler than the OPs desired bike.

that’s because Brooks saddles aren’t comfortable for everyone, but they want to sell to those people too

wether the springs are “helpful” actually has a lot to do with the frame as well as the person sittting in them. (Not getting into the debate about what is perceived comfort vs what’s actually good for you medically speaking) But the springs in brooks saddles actually have a weight limit, and if you’re, by your own words ‘obese’, you’ll probably bottom them out, making them useless. I’ve always hated them, mainly because they always squeak and it’s damn near impossible to make that completely go away. I wouldn’t be surprised if most people, even back in the 1890s found them uncomfortable and annoying.

"What is the maximum rider weight for a Brooks saddle?
There are no definitive (or published) weight limits for a Brooks Saddles; There are other factors to be considered, such as the riding style of the user, the type of terrain frequented etc. Brooks do offer three heavy duty models; B33, B135 and B190. These are recommended for riders who weight in excess of 20 stones (280 pounds, or 127 kilograms)."

i was told by a brooks employee at a factory tour some years back, when I specifically asked about them. For clarity he wasn’t talking about a specific model, nor did I ask about one. It was a general question and the worker said that if you’re heavy enough they can bottom out. Also, you specifically listed the heavy duty models, but conveniently didn’t mention models like the flyer, b66,b67, conquest. Which don’t have the triple rail double-coiled springs. Two very different designs with different weight limits. Also, I didn’t suggest the OP would bottom any brooks saddle out, it was a general statement. If you’re going to counter my statement, great, but at least be fair and balanced. Don’t try to slyly accuse me of false info, while purposely being selective in your counter.

this doesn’t bolster your argument. All this says is that Brooks doesn’t have any specific published limits. So unless you’re going to argue that they theoretically have no limit, your position literally makes no sense. I did a factory tour in 2013, i was told that if you’re heavy enough you can bottom them out. The heavy duty models are specifically for heavier weight. According to brooks if you weigh over 280, you should use the heavy duty model. Common sense thusly tells you that the single rail, single coil spring saddles can handle up to the range of 280. That means the OP is approaching the limit of the standard sprung saddles. Or to put it more simply, someone of his weight could potentially bottom out certain saddles. This also means cheaper spring saddles with weaker springs will also likely bottom out. This is in line with what I was literally told by a brooks saddle maker. So what exactly are you arguing here? Because your own posted info supports my position.

also, I don’t care what the OP weighs, I was simply pointing out that sprung saddles can bottom out. So unless youre saying that’s impossible, then we are in agreement, and your position makes no sense, because you’re literally arguing on the single notion of “brooks doesn’t have any published numbers.” as if that actually proves my initial statement untrue, when it doesn’t.

this proves literally nothing and again, doesn’t bolster your position.

noted. But your experience isn’t gospel. I’ve owned more than one brooks sprung saddle. A B33 on a pashley roadster sovereign and a B67 purchased for a custom 70s Raleigh tourist. Both suffered from a fair bit of squeak. Cheers, mate.